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August 20, 2015

Dreams of Ruin is available in print, which I will never get because I’m a cheapass. But you can also get the pdf free and it’s worth a look. I read the version that was released during the Kickstarter and this appears to be a much-polished version of that. I can’t say I would remotely enjoy a campaign in this world, but this is an interesting look at someone taking a campaign idea and a world and thinking them if not all the way through, then at least exploring them within the context of D&D rules with a seriousness and to a depth that is extremely rare. Plus it’s domain-level, which you also almost never see and maybe the dude that wrote this found a way to make that shit tolerable. It’s gotta be better than rolling on some random table and finding out you’ve got a -1 to your realm’s happiness this month.

Warning: The author has an Exalted background and it shows a bit in the concept, the art is horrendous and there’s a rape pic mixed in there, so don’t get triggered.

http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/152691/The-Dreams-of-Ruin

 

 

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  1. Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
    August 20, 2015 10:42 pm

    To me, the fact that “Dreams of Ruin” was inspired by Japanese knotweed is hilarious. Anybody with less of an angsty bent than the author would just eat the damned stuff– it contains high amounts of resveratrol, which may be beneficial to one’s health. Basically, he’s knocking the very thing that could save gamers from the cheetos-and-dew lifestyle.

    • August 20, 2015 11:10 pm

      Haha you put “resveratrol” in a comment and WordPress autoflags you as vitamin supplement spam.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        August 21, 2015 12:04 am

        Shit like that happens all the time- I recently wrote up something about neurodegenerative diseases and while linking for attribution, a lot of Google results were for snake-oil. Fuckin’ woo-merchants…

      • Paul K. permalink
        August 21, 2015 5:10 am

        — I recently wrote up something about neurodegenerative diseases

        For your autobiography ?

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        August 21, 2015 9:35 am

        It was a profile of a failed academic, stuck in a dead-end job in an unaccredited junior college in a backwater province of an economically disadvantaged European country. Poor schmuck has a hopeless case of Dunning-Kruger and the areas of his brain that are involved in impulse control are shot.

      • Paul K. permalink
        August 21, 2015 2:59 pm

        Someone with your discernment must be unemployed and mad.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        August 21, 2015 7:12 pm

        Given that you were compelled to respond, even though no names were mentioned, I gather that the barb hit close to home.

        Don’t be sad, Durr Hurr, I’m sure that you are every bit as successful in your career at Southern Hibernia Institute of Technology as you are in your career as a game designer/gameblogger.

  2. August 21, 2015 2:07 am

    I remember this one from… somewhere, some blog thing or another. I’ll give it a going-over at some point. If nothing else, fighting an invasive plant species isn’t something I’ve seen done to death in materials older than I am.

  3. Paul K. permalink
    August 21, 2015 5:09 am

    Well that was a timid vacuous review.

    • August 21, 2015 9:32 am

      sic burn bro.

      • Paul K. permalink
        August 22, 2015 5:52 am

        Teens aren’t using that language anymore. Also you shouldn’t be wearing converse at your age.

  4. Paul K. permalink
    August 21, 2015 5:32 am

    Ha Haaa. Muslims are even nuttier than you think, and ISIS are the *real* muslims. Ahhh, time to get those rusting nukes out of storage.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

  5. Timotheus permalink
    August 21, 2015 5:53 am

    Well, this is encouraging me to make my long-simmering clone featuring kudzu.

  6. Wundergeekbot permalink
    August 21, 2015 10:46 am

    Post-Game reflections
    Revived wound up being a very strange experience for me, in that playing my character was very much informed by the bullshit I’ve had to deal with as a result of my feminism while simultaneously allowing me to access an experience (however vicariously) of oppression that I will never face. As a white, cishet, able-bodied middle-class Christian, I will never have to worry about passing, or pressure to stay closeted, or dysphoria, or assimilation, or racialized violence – and yet all of these were things that wound up being very important to my character.
    The things I found myself getting most angry about – assimilation, pride, refusing to feel guilty about my identity – were issues that I will never have to fight against in my daily life. But the language that I used was very much the language of intersectional feminism that I try to practice here on my blog, and the frustration that I felt felt toward the other characters felt incredibly familiar. I found myself saying things like “it is not my job to educate you”, “you do not get to prioritize your feelings over actual injustice”, “I refuse to not express anger about my lived experience of injustice”, “you do not get cookies for being a decent fucking human being”, and “this is about the radical idea that I am a person who deserves to exist” – all things I have actually said in conversations about feminism on the internet.
    All in all, it was a strange and eye-opening experience, even (or perhaps especially) for someone who devotes a lot of time to writing about these issues. I sincerely wish there was some way to make this required material for all gamers, because this was hands-down the best and most accessibly illustration of privilege that I have yet experienced.

    Yes, this post is patreon-supported, bitches.

    • Lamentations of Gary Gygax's Ghost permalink
      August 21, 2015 11:44 am

      By Tharizdun’s third nipple, what the fuck was that word salad? I either need context or that was a lot of noise signifying someone ran out of shit to day ages ago but is banging on anyways because they haven’t figured out a new writing angle.

      • August 22, 2015 7:43 am

        Just check your white male afterlife privilege.

    • August 22, 2015 12:54 am

      What on Earth was she playing?

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        August 22, 2015 3:56 pm

        The victim card…

  7. Captain Kirks Dick Blood permalink
    August 21, 2015 1:15 pm

    Hate to change the subject before comments hit the 800 mark some time in October, but I had my first look at the 5th edition PHB freebie the other day. WTF? Pundit and Zak are at the end of the credits. Pundy is actually a couple folk ahead of Zak in that, with our favorite balding princepessa dead last. Zoinks. Really? All the hullabaloo and these guys come at the end of a list of many dozens of folk. A whole host of “consultants.” Shit, the way these guys bring up their involvement I would have thought their names would be in blinking neon or something. All these people got paid? Do we have any idea what that pay was? A coupon for buy one get one Whoppers at BK? A free donut with purchase of a large coffee at AM PM? Goddamn. Maybe one of Haz-bro’s problems is they spend too much fucking money producing D&D for a dwindling fanbase.

    Did not get much of a look at the content, though I appreciated the many nods to the “olden ways” in the minor crunch. But some of it was just weird. I assume a lot of that is 4th ed. leftovers?

    • Lamentations of Gary Gygax's Ghost permalink
      August 21, 2015 3:59 pm

      Well, if wasn’t enough money for Zpastic to afford a copy of SPI’s War of the Ring. Pretty sure it was a coupon for a free bowl of vegetarian soup at a Hare-Krishna temple. I think Hasbro sent Pundejo an e-cig for free to try to stall that lip cancer.

    • August 23, 2015 12:14 pm

      You don’t see Jeff Grubb, S. John Ross or Ken Hite go on and on about 5e consultancy. You also don’t see them self-aggrandize in general. Or antagonize half the Internet for whatever reason.

      • August 23, 2015 1:31 pm

        Those guys have jobs, thus antagonizing the Attack when they’re too busy to do another bump of speed and keep bickering throughout the night.

  8. August 21, 2015 9:19 pm

    Okay, which of you nerds can give me a little review of Titan: The Fighting Fantasy World? Got it off Amazon, but it’s going to be 3 weeks until it shows up. Looks like an ur-GW heyday kinda thing, complete with lots of art that would eventually be reused for WH and tons of early Paul Bonner and Russ Nicholson. Impressions? Anyone try to do anything with it, or play the Fighting Fantasy RPG (which apparently was hilariously broken)?

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      August 21, 2015 11:42 pm

      Smart money says that that Von feller can review this product, given his point of origin.

      Oddly enough, I have recently been reading a bad scan of the Fighting Fantasy monster book on 4Shared– attempting to download it, though, gives my antivirus software a case of the horrors.

      There must be a some weird psychic vibe resonating through the Jungian overmind… in his house in R’lyeh, Steve Jackson lies dreaming.

      • August 22, 2015 7:40 am

        Thanks for the link Bigby! I didn’t even try to download it. I just ‘printed’ it to a PDF, thereby retaining the electronic format without having to download.

        Also, here is a Titan (2011 version) review from the best reviewer in Uruguay. Read it if you must.

        http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=23782

      • August 22, 2015 8:18 am

        Grudgingly: this isn’t a bad review.

    • August 22, 2015 12:45 am

      I could review the early Nineties paperback edition if you liked. I haven’t seen the point in the AFF reprint, since it seems to fix things that aren’t broken and since I still own the old one.

      I play AFF now and then and I find it admirably fit for purpose, that purpose being energetic and shallow sword-and-sorcery where we don’t really expect Our Heroes to be i any real danger and the point is to see how much arse they kick this time. It is only ‘broken’ if you to are expecting it to work like some other sort of game where balance/simulation/constant peril and bean counting are important.

    • Paul K. permalink
      August 22, 2015 6:27 am

      I got the old paperback when I heard Melan/Gabo Lux speaking highly of it but I found it dull and stored it away. On the world scale everything reads childishly compared to Glorantha and Greyhawk, possibly excepting Warhammer.

  9. Genghis Don permalink
    August 21, 2015 9:49 pm

    Well, I saw it in a store, I think. I read/played “warlock of firetop mountain”, “forest of doom” and maybe 1 or 2 other “fighting fantasy” paperbacks when I was a teenager. I played the (unrelated) board game called titan a couple times around then as well.

    So I’m more helpful than most posts here ever will be!

    You did get me curious though, as I loved & played a ton of WH 1e & many years later picked up the Talisman board game for when I didn’t want to DM &/or to let our wives/GF’s &/or kids play. So thanks! I’ll see if I can “steal” it somewhere online. WTF did that copy cost you?

    • August 22, 2015 3:29 pm

      $3 plus $4 shipping. Not exactly a collector’s item.

      • Genghis Don permalink
        August 22, 2015 3:32 pm

        I looked it over ( I found the 4shared version about an hour before the link was up)

        pretty basic D&D type setting, nothing to write home about, that I could see at a glance. $3 or $7 is all it’s worth

  10. Paul K. permalink
    August 22, 2015 9:37 am

    Anyone read a good comic book lately ? I can’t read rpg stuff anymore, I haven’t read more than a single page at a time except for Deep Carbon in the last year so Im taking my once-every-five-year-look at comics as alternative light relief.

    I don’t buy into the Alan Moore hype but he is surely the best *comics* writer around. Ive read the first three of Providence and it is quite good. Has anyone read Garth Ennis’s Crossed ?

    • Genghis Don permalink
      August 22, 2015 1:10 pm

      I still read quite a few, although most are not good. What kind of stuff do you like?

      • Paul K. permalink
        August 22, 2015 2:04 pm

        Im just interested in sampling whatever is considered a ‘classic’ out there beyond Moore and Ennis whom I know.

    • Genghis Don permalink
      August 22, 2015 1:25 pm

      Just started reading something called “Rat Queens”, it seems to be an amusing D&D comic so far

    • August 22, 2015 3:05 pm

      I am *extremely* surprised you like Garth Ennis. You usually have good taste but I think the burden’s on you to defend that horseshit. He always read as the Marilyn Manson of comic books and when, as an extra job during law school, I was stuck at the register of a comic shop, I fucking HATED talking to Ennis fans. He has never written a classic unless you consider The Dark Carnival and Boondocks Saints to be classics.

      Also, I’ve been cutting weight and just banged out a $100 bar tab for my first time drinking in months, so it’s a good time to get me rambling.

      • August 22, 2015 3:35 pm

        “Hey guys, Scott’s into cutting now and he just called Kent a fag!”

        *sits down in chair, gets out popcorn*

      • August 22, 2015 3:37 pm

        Also, there’s half a dozen spam comments in my filter about geo caching. WTF???

      • Genghis Don permalink
        August 22, 2015 4:02 pm

        I’ve read some of his Hellblazer & more of his Punisher. I’m not a fan, but many like(d) his stuff. It was a guy behind the register at a comic shop that directed me to some of his punisher stuff, one of those fans maybe.

      • August 22, 2015 4:55 pm

        “Hey guys, Scott’s into cutting now and he just called Kent a fag!”

        Yes, “now”

      • August 22, 2015 4:59 pm

        Jesus, even with the obscene tips I bet you’re prone to leave a $100 bar tab still stretches pretty far across the overpriced well drinks me and the GF order much less anything more normal. And I’m not even on blood thinners this week.

        Ennis tries too fucking hard all the fucking time. The only good things to come out of Crossed are the Alan Moore and Si Spurrier ones. Boondock Saints fans are the worst.

      • Paul K. permalink
        August 22, 2015 5:29 pm

        I said –whatever is considered a ‘classic’ out there–. I don’t know the first thing about comics other than I tend to find the most highly recommended stuff disappointing, From Hell, Watchmen et al. I had a few laughs reading through Ennis’s The Boys and The Walking Dead because seeing ultraviolence and rape in comicbook form is like watching a toddler smoke a cigar and it takes ten-fifteen minutes to get through a hundred page comic.

        I have for a while now had a *real* problem getting any enjoyment from any genre material of any kind and sometimes I need the lightness of genre to break up the grown up stuff. So, for a change Im wondering if there is anything out there in comic land considered ‘classic’ since I am not likely to have heard of it.

      • Paul K. permalink
        August 22, 2015 5:31 pm

        — for my first time drinking in months

        Why would anyone not drink for months ? Weird.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        August 22, 2015 8:08 pm

        Garth Ennis? It was an autocorrect error, Kent wanted to type that he likes girth in his anus.

      • dmdr permalink
        August 22, 2015 8:20 pm

        All good comics are written for children, which is why comic books these days are so fucking awful (as they are chiefly aimed at teenagers and stupid, perpetually adolescent adults; unfortunately, modern comics for kids are written by people who tend to look down on their audience, and have annoying generic cartoony art. So they’re bad too).

        Pretty much anything by Jack Kirby is classic. I’m not really an expert (I’ve only read his DC stuff from the early 70s and some of the earlier stories he did with Joe Simon) but I’d recommend The Losers, OMAC (despite the abrupt ending) and The New Gods; the early stuff’s art is a bit too primitive.

        The earlier Judge Dredd ‘mega epics’ (The Apocalypse War, The Judge Child, The Cursed Earth) are really good. Also from 2000AD, Pat Mills’ earlier stories — ie. up until about 1985, which is when he decided to become a warlock — are great too. So, early Nemesis (with Kevin O’Neill on art), The ABC Warriors & Ro-Busters, and Charley’s War are the best ones. Slaine was mostly alright too and Mike McMahon’s best art. Alan Moore’s work for 2000AD is also good, being made before he decided he was too good for jokes.

        Anything by Carl Barks.

        If you like Garth Ennis you will probably also like Mark Millar. They write for a similarly adolescent audience. They are both shit.

      • August 23, 2015 12:25 pm

        Though I find it hard to dispute dmdr’s logic, teenaged me enjoyed Preacher. Wonder how it’s aged.

    • Genghis Don permalink
      August 22, 2015 4:12 pm

      Rat Queens turned out to be fun, although I wouldn’t call it “classic”. I read “Irredeemable” earlier this week & enjoyed it, Started into “Tom Strong”. Most super hero monthlies have been disappointing me for a while now. You could try Saga, or Y the last man maybe.

      Do you want old stuff? new? runs or just a new story? You aren’t giving us much to go on

    • August 23, 2015 12:51 am

      Warren Ellis’ Transmetropolitan. (You could just read Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail ’72, though). Possibly Freakangels. (You could just watch The Midwich Cuckoos through a slightly purple filter, though.) You might not like the art for Freakangels but the quintessentially British B-movie feel of it might suit you.

      As for Moore: Top Ten is good but since it’s you, I suggest you get drunk and binge-read Promethea. Be sure to podcast your reactions.

      Talking of Moore: Crazy old wizard is usually right on the money, but when he scoffs at the ephemera of the previous century squatting on the dawn of a new and unique age in the form of a vacuous distraction-medium… coming from the man who wrote The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and Lost Girls and all the other “digging up the dawn of the twentieth century for fun and profit at its sunset” things he’s done, that’s hilarious.

    • Paul K. permalink
      August 23, 2015 2:10 pm

      I read all that 2000AD stuff as a teenager, Slaine was good too, and Rogue Trooper but I wouldn’t revisit it except for Halo Jones.

      I have just read half of Ennis’s Crossed volume 1 and it is safe to say it is risible, the writing is god-awful. A second rate Walking Dead comic which itself is second rate Romero (though entertaining in bursts). The Day of the Triffids and The Death of Grass started all of this and have yet to be surpassed; McCarthy’s The Road is great too.

      Here is a question: Given their popularity (and the money involved) and their *potential* for artistry do you agree that comics occupy a layer of respectability above rpgs and below Fantasy/Horror/Crime fiction ?

      Most of us here loathe 99% of rpg writing, say 95% of comics and say 90% of fantasy fiction. Anyway where are these good fucking comics with great writing ?

      • Paul K. permalink
        August 23, 2015 2:26 pm

        Those %s are neither accurate nor helpful. Better to say there are ten rpg books I still think are very good, maybe 1 comic and about ten fantasy/horror books. I suspect there must be a half-dozen great comics out there.

      • Paul K. permalink
        August 23, 2015 2:35 pm

        Halo Jones and The Killing Joke. There’s two classics, both Alan Moore.

      • August 23, 2015 4:25 pm

        And people say I’m boring. Sheesh.

      • Paul K. permalink
        August 23, 2015 5:00 pm

        Speaking of recommendations I can’t remember you ever recommending something worthwhile. That’s unusual for a guy whose self-worth is wrapped up in being a critic.

      • Paul K. permalink
        August 23, 2015 9:20 pm

        What do you get for the man who’s already had 10 dicks up his butt? *HINT: dick #11*

      • Genghis Don permalink
        August 23, 2015 9:48 pm

        Today, the most “respectable” order would be comics, then fantasy/horror/crime then RPG
        10 years ago it was F/H/C, then comics, then RPG
        RPG was never even remotely respected, however

      • Aos permalink
        August 24, 2015 3:20 pm

        Nausicca
        Akira
        Miler’s dardevil vol 2
        Fantastic Four 1-102
        King City
        Prophet
        R.crumb
        R.corben
        Druillet
        Tin tin
        Carl Barks Duck Comics
        Hellboy and most related, especially BPRD
        THOR 121-179

        I vould go on, but I need to have a better Idea of what you like.

      • August 24, 2015 7:15 pm

        Did you read Prophet Vol. 4? I read the first three and Vol. 1 was great but the returns since have noticeably diminished. I didn’t read OG Prophet, but I found myself uninterested in the way the new volumes were connecting up with the old series. And I think the storytelling got a little, maybe lazy is the word? I don’t mind opaque storytelling, but the “gee whiz” reveals of that universe never kept up after a strong start.

        Do those Thor issues include the Simonson run? Those are sweet.

      • Genghis Don permalink
        August 25, 2015 1:09 pm

        Simonson’s Thor run is from 337 to 382
        Aos is giving the classic Kirby period

      • Genghis Don permalink
        August 25, 2015 1:24 pm

        Marvel of the 60’s was the opposite of marvel of the 90’s on; characters like Thor or Captain america didn’t get issue #1s. Now they all reboot every couple years at #1 for a sales gimmick.

        Aos said Thor 121-179; Journey into Mystery # 83 is the first issue of Thor. JIM was changed to Thor at 126

        Captain america just carried on from “Tales of suspense”, although Iron man got a #1 issue, so maybe Marvel was just batshit crazy disorganized in the 60’s.

        I’m actually not 100% sure what Aos was going for, but as his end date is Kirby’s last issue, it probably was the Kirby era he means

      • Aos permalink
        August 26, 2015 2:25 pm

        JIM 83 is good, but there are only a smattering of good issues for awhile after that and the work of artists like Larry Lieber doesn’t help. I love old comics, but I still felt ripped when I got the early Thor hardcover. Theefore, I go with 121(first appearence of the absorbing man, iirc) because that’s around the time they set the direction of the series and from there the quality remains constant until the end of Kirby’s tenure. Aside from Loki, most of the villains seen prior to this issue, like Mr.Hyde, are pretty much off the scene- at least in Thor, from there on. 121 is also the first issue of the second 60’s Thor Omnibus. Based upon my own preference, I could not with a clear concious advise anyone to buy the first. There is probBly an arguemnt for starting earlier bSed onthe Tales of Asgard segement, but I would just get the stand alone book to read those.
        This is all of course assuming one buys one’s comics. Hahahahaha.

        I have prophet volume 4, but I have yet to make my way through it. I agree some of the spark seems to have go e out of it, though.

        I agree about the Simonson Thor issues; this is a worty investment:
        http://www.amazon.com/Thor-Walter-Simonson-Omnibus/dp/0785146334/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1440623640&sr=8-1&keywords=thor+simonson+omnibus
        As are the Kirby omnis- again start with the second, though.

        Also:
        http://comraderecs.tumblr.com/

    • Son of GargamelJubilex permalink
      August 23, 2015 8:49 pm

      Dude, Rat Queens…

      • Genghis Don permalink
        August 23, 2015 9:44 pm

        downloaded it while reading here, started it just as I posted. It was amusing & Paul was off his rocker yammering about “classics”. He doesn’t want “classic” comics. He has no idea what that even means.

  11. Lactations of the Milk Princess permalink
    August 22, 2015 12:41 pm

    Hey! Zak is finally posting gamable content agai–

    No, nevermind, he’s still just complaining about his critics, this time thinly disguised as gamable content. http://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.com/2015/08/the-art-economy-in-vornheim.html

    Hey! Poag is still working on his vaporware opus! https://stefanpoag.wordpress.com/2015/08/11/exquisite-corpses-not-dead-yet/

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      August 22, 2015 9:18 pm

      Strange, I thought a Poag/Raggi collaboration would be a lot more scatalogical.

  12. August 23, 2015 12:52 am

    http://www.metalsucks.net/2015/08/21/advanced-discrimination-dragons-critical-look-varg-vikernes-myfarog-rpg/

    I haven’t even read this yet, I just saw it and thought of you lot.

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      August 23, 2015 5:19 am

      Raggs announces new product release in 3… 2… 1…

      • Lamentations of Gary Gygax's Ghost permalink
        August 23, 2015 12:04 pm

        What is it with Neo-Nazi shitbags designing games that are completely unplayable anyways? I mean, the wet dream rascist settings are usually mockable but bland then you have the tottering juggernaut of completely shit rules that overshadow all other things to make fun of. Course they claim people aren’t intelligent enough to play their unwieldy fucking game. Fuckhead, I can play Freedom in the Galaxy and that game is a fucking blender of insanely detailed rules. Dumbass metal head remakes FATAL with all the same mistakes bit unfortunately won’t get the notoriety. Newsflash to said dumb fucking metal head, it’s been done already.

    • August 23, 2015 4:30 pm

      Whoa, dude slings a tiny little homophobic dart at Varg right after blasting him for not hosting a Rainbow Coalition. That’s ballsy.

  13. Paul K. permalink
    August 23, 2015 8:06 pm

    Any fans of Lynch’s Inland Empire ?

  14. Paul K. permalink
    August 23, 2015 8:52 pm

    One of the best films I have ever seen is the under discussed genre film, a sci-fi thriller, called *The Beast of Yucca Flats* -1961-. I will go further and say it is the best motion picture in the world. Don’t let the fact it is in Black & White put you off, that’s just the colour of it. Pay attention to the acting, how the actors use their bodies and their other bits and pieces to make it seem like their bodies are moving in the film just like real people who aren’t in a movie at that time.

    The dialogue is so fresh it is as if the film was made on the first day that English was ever spoken. The narrator is like the film’s dad what never shuts up, but he is a wise dad with a handsome speaking voice.

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      August 23, 2015 9:45 pm

      First, comic books, now Tor Johnson movies… Brandoch Durr Hurr is not even pretending to be smart now. For a guy who used to write shit like “Americans don’t read ” (immediately before confessing he’s never read Melville or Munro), he sure loves wallowing in the trashiest of American pop culture.

      The real question is whether trailer park Kent is worse than pedantic Kent…

      • Genghis Don permalink
        August 23, 2015 10:09 pm

        At least he seems to recognize film is a different medium, where seemed unable to recognize comics also are earlier.

    • Genghis Don permalink
      August 23, 2015 10:43 pm

      It is the prototype “Hulk” Marvel movie! a few years before the comic came out! It’s kinda fun, but I have no idea if it’s good even by 1961 standards. I think you probably like narration because it makes it seem more like an (audio) book.

    • Paul K. permalink
      August 24, 2015 1:07 am

      Dum dum da dumdum dum !!

  15. Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
    August 23, 2015 9:49 pm

    As all good nerds must know, the lovely, gracious, and talented Yvonne Craig died last week- this is the best retrospective I’ve read, that last line is the funniest thing I’ve read all month.

    • Genghis Don permalink
      August 23, 2015 10:11 pm

      so, how many times did you jerk off to her?

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        August 24, 2015 1:25 am

        Per day? What kind of time frame are we talking here?

    • Genghis Don permalink
      August 24, 2015 2:57 pm

      I’d rather not know, really…it WAS quite a fun end to the article though!

  16. Paul K. permalink
    August 24, 2015 1:07 am

    ISIS orcs destroy ancient ruin. How many xps for that ?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34036644

    Dum dum da dumdum dum !!

    • Genghis Don permalink
      August 24, 2015 3:02 pm

      If they were orcs, they’d LIVE in the ruins, instead they are humans & love to erase history at every turn so they can rewrite it to suit them.

      I’m a bad person for it, but their endless attacks on the remains of the earliest human civilizations & triumphs bothers me more than them chopping people’s head’s off.

      -1,000,000 XP

    • Gay Nigger from Outer Space permalink
      September 2, 2015 11:58 pm

      Moslem terrorists who attack everyone but the jews, ISISrael

  17. FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
    August 24, 2015 11:23 am

    I just want to let all the unblown fatbeards of the blOwSR who went full retard and spent $100 and upwards on used copies of Vornheim after Zak Princess said it could be gone forever – Raggi just reprinted Vornheim, SUCKERS! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      August 24, 2015 12:05 pm

      They’ll just tell themselves that it is a valuable first printing. Collectors are dumb like that.

  18. Timotheus permalink
    August 24, 2015 11:27 am

    And now for something completely different…

    This past weekend, I got out my copy of Strike Force in preparation for starting up another Champions Campaign – which may or may not happen…but it was a good excuse to get out one of the best RPG books evar and gaze longingly through its pages…

    …and on the first page I was blown away. The Project Director (or whatthefuckever the title was) was Mike Nystul.

    I checked out a couple of other Hero titles from the same time, like the Adventurers’ Clubs, and evidently Mike was quite involved, particularly as the Editor for Fantasy Hero titles.

    Sunufabitch. At one time, Mikey actually did some quality RPG work – even if it was just telling Aaron to change a comma to a semi-colon.

    • Paul K. permalink
      August 24, 2015 12:00 pm

      What is Champions like compared to D&D or traditional old fantasy rpgs ? Im assuming it is superhero stuff set in metropolis X with some religio-cosmic stuff influenced by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby.

      • Timotheus permalink
        August 24, 2015 12:08 pm

        I love Champions, but it is seriously number-crunchy. Almost all of it is front-loaded, so it flows pretty well during play. Definitely a product of the more-numbers-and-stas-the-better school of thought from 1981. Superhero stuff, you are not limited to metropolitan areas – but property damage is a feature of the game. Hitting people with cars and flag poles and sewer grates was always part of the appeal. A Marvel-style universe is more or less the default (as opposed to DC, because of all the baggage that the heroes must accept in exchange for more character points). Probably closer to Chivalry & Sorcery than D&D.

      • Paul K. permalink
        August 24, 2015 1:07 pm

        I do love me some Super Surfer and MMA style trying to figure out which spandex hero would fuck up another but after awhile I find the fisticuffsmanship tedious. That is no different to high level fighters in D&D say 9th lvl+ but at that point violence becomes silly in my games but it is the beginning of super hero violence.

        Im not knocking it. My thing is more Icelandic Sagas than City Super Heroes.

        I seem to remember that Brunomac was big into Champions. I expect it is a US thing.

      • Paul K. permalink
        August 24, 2015 1:08 pm

        –it is seriously number-crunchy

        That’s not a problem. Im thinking these days of how to incorporate all those Rolemaster criticals via ARMS LAW into AD&D.

      • Timotheus permalink
        August 24, 2015 1:56 pm

        Well, I think the world is big enough for Icelandic sagas AND shoving skyrises up Mechanon’s shiny metal ass.

        And, now that you mention it, Rolemaster is a closer parallel to Champions than C&S, from a number-volume thing, but as I said it is more frontloaded in computation so you rarely look a t charts during play. The only slow thing about play is rolling 10-16 d6 for damage.

        Not sure I’d characterize Champions as an American thing, but if you are truly a Columbo fan, then you can find room in your heart for Champions. I will say I have not kept up on 5th or 6th edition. The big blue 4th was great but the worst book binding of all time. First through third are great, too, but 4th brought it all together and refined the math slightly. But the glued spine on the book cracked the first time I used it; and every single copy of it that I have seen has the same problem.

      • Genghis Don permalink
        August 24, 2015 3:07 pm

        Not much the same, although you could build whatever system you like with “Hero”. It’s very cool for modelling whatever you could imagine (& do the math for).

        PLAYING it, however, is tedious, as it runs so slowly it makes “bullet time” seem like fast forward. It is like playing a comic book though, in that it takes about the same amount of time to draw a comic book scrap as to play it out in game.

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      August 24, 2015 12:10 pm

      Nystul authored some well-received “Role Aids” supplements back in the day. I suspect he just got overwhelmed by the Kickstarter projects he began, with all of their stupid stretch goals, and then he went nuts and blew the money on hookers, blow, and overpriced hard copies of “Vornheim”.

  19. Paul K. permalink
    August 24, 2015 1:33 pm

    By the way everyone:

    if you say anything to upset YDIS he edits your comments so you can never know what said above is genuine – he has complete power to edit which is why this is a shit forum. If anything you read is funny or an interesting criticism then you know for sure he overlooked it. Also, I have a vagina. No penis, just a vag 😦

    • Timotheus permalink
      August 24, 2015 1:59 pm

      Are you really blaming YDIS for your lack of skill in humor, as well as math?

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      August 24, 2015 2:05 pm

      It’s not a forum, shit-for-brains, and it never was. You had your chance to be a forum denizen, but you blew it because you couldn’t help shitting in the punchbowl, multiple times. Deal with it.

    • Paul K. permalink
      August 24, 2015 2:51 pm

      Say the Ladies of YDIS …

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        August 24, 2015 5:06 pm

        Aw, you wanted to be queen bitch, but you made the mistake of being mean before you were popular. Now Zak’s been crowned prom queen and you’re the sad fat girl with B.O. sitting by herself in the corner.

        Whatever happened to your grandiose plans for a “no gamers” fantasy fiction forum? Did you realize that your sour milkshake doesn’t bring anybody to the yard? How about a “fans of Tor Johnson” forum? That might be more your speed, which ain’t that swift.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        August 25, 2015 6:04 pm

        Man, you taunt me with that Fantagraphics link… I’ve been eyeing those Prince Valiant reprints, but I can’t justify spending all that money on the whole collection. I don’t want to end up like Durr Hurr, subsisting on canned soup because all of the post-rent money’s been spent on overpriced hardcovers.

  20. Lamentations of Gary Gygax's Ghost permalink
    August 24, 2015 6:32 pm

    Someone see if they can get Willie Walsh to write some adventures. Invariably that guy always wrote the gems of Dungeon magazine.

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      August 25, 2015 10:44 am

      Weren’t most of his adventures Smurfs episode D&D? Twee shit like: “The halflings’ pie was stolen by the xvart king and you must get it back, and by the way, you can’t harm the xvart king because the Midsummer xvart festival is at hand.” No thanks!

      Whoa… something just struck me- wasn’t Willie Walsh a teenager from Ireland? I suspect that he was in Kent’s original D&D group, but that they had a falling-out (Kent probably wanted Willie’s willy against Willie’s will). I suspect that Kent became infuriated and arranged for Willie to have an accident (say, jouncing the tree limb by the swimming hole, causing Willie to fall). Maybe Willie is a bitter cripple, living in an institution and writing storygames about summer vacation mishaps.

      Kent’s one-page suckdungeon was his attempt to recapture some of Willie’s DMing mojo, but it went over like a lead balloon. Having failed to usurp Willie’s position as Ireland’s best-known suckdungeon designer, Kent then decided that he’d turn on the whole OSR by acting like a knob.

      It would be irresponsible not to speculate!

      • August 25, 2015 11:52 am

        Just what “DIY” gaming needed: its own Separate Peace. All the pie adventures truly sucked. I’ll always associate them with Roger Raupp art.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        August 25, 2015 12:12 pm

        I dunno, “The Pie on the Borderlands” was pretty good, but by the time “Pie of Horrors” was released, all of the sweet filling had been sucked out of the concept.

        Didn’t Monte Cook try to revive the series with “Pie of Madness”, or was that some other 3ed hack?

      • August 25, 2015 1:04 pm

        I feel an Earth-Hostess riff coming on. But fuck! I was thinking of Jim Holloway:

  21. Paul K. permalink
    August 25, 2015 4:41 pm

    So Ive been reading lots of comics (no I didn’t waste a dime on them) and it is safe to say that comics SUCK. Comics are SHIT just like rpgs. Comics and rpgs are REVOLTING IMMATURE WANK just like the PEOPLE WHO READ THEM.

    Goodbye IMMATURE WANKERS it’s back to Herodotus and Homer for me thank GOD you dumb cunts.

    This place smells like VOMIT. The vomit of STUPIDITY. Im out-a-here for goodsome you SILLY DUMMIES.

    • August 25, 2015 5:26 pm

      Are you saying it’s too late to make a comics recommendation?

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      August 25, 2015 5:53 pm

      So Ive been reading lots of comics

      Do tell…

      Comics and rpgs are REVOLTING IMMATURE WANK just like the PEOPLE WHO READ THEM

      Heh… foot, bullet, I believe you’ve met before.

      Im out-a-here for goodsome you SILLY DUMMIES.

      If we had a dollar for every flounce-and-exit of yours, we’d all have Nystul kickstarter money. You’ll be back, you have nowhere else to go.

      • Genghis Don permalink
        August 26, 2015 8:42 am

        Just bored Tiny Tim. I actually have no idea WTF you are on about, but the racist, murderous, thieving, abusive, thuggish, lying scum that are most pigs is coming more & more into view for everyone, so you keep on defending them while everyone else wakes up & realizes what they are.

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      August 25, 2015 6:14 pm

      Forgot to play Kent out… I think this song fits him to a ‘T’:

      • Lamentations of Gary Gygax's Ghost permalink
        August 25, 2015 8:07 pm

        Is picking on Willie Walsh all it takes as the component to cast Dispell Kent? File this for when we have to cast the spell again ( in 36 hours) when Kunt returns to cry again about his prolapsed ass lining.

      • Genghis Don permalink
        August 25, 2015 9:41 pm

        LOL…nice!

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        August 25, 2015 9:52 pm

        LEAVE WILLIE ALONE!!!

    • Genghis Don permalink
      August 25, 2015 9:39 pm

      Au revoir Paul; you want them to be literature/novels, but they are a different medium. “Reading” a comic book only for the words is a total failure to engage. It’s nearly as bad as watching a movie for a script/screenplay.

      See ya soon!

      • Timotheus permalink
        August 26, 2015 6:16 am

        What the fuck are you doing back here, GenghisDorner? Don’t you have some cop-killer manifesto to beat off to? Aren’t there any innocent victims lying dead that you can mock for being related to police officers? Surely you and Pundejo can find some place to get a circle-jerk going over some more murdered cops.

      • Genghis Don permalink
        August 26, 2015 8:44 am

        Just bored Tiny Tim. I actually have no idea WTF you are on about, but the racist, murderous, thieving, abusive, thuggish, lying scum that are most pigs is coming more & more into view for everyone, so you keep on defending them while everyone else wakes up & realizes what they are.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        August 26, 2015 8:52 am

        I think you are conflating him with FreddyP, Tim, if my memory serves me correctly.

      • Timotheus permalink
        August 26, 2015 8:59 am

        No, Biggs, it was that piece of shit genghis Dorner, from here:

        https://yourdungeonissuck.wordpress.com/2013/02/16/ydis-job-board-copy-editor-wanted/

        scroll down a ways, but here is some classic wannabe cop-killer stuff, along with the “yo’rue blind!” bs he alluded to above you:

        “I don’t identify with Dorner at all, but killing a guy’s kid to fuck him up is REALLY viscous. One needs some real hate for that. I really wonder how he got there. I don’t condone or particularily like it (the innocents killed), but it was priceless seeing the LA pigs shooting at old asian ladies & anyone in a truck; showing EXACTLY how much the LAPD was concerned with serving & protecting vs protecting their own asses at any cost.
        My lack of concern for thugs/mafia/pigs (or banksters)’ lives extends somewhat to their families. Yes, my bad, on that. Feel free to revoke my bleeding heart liberal card in self righteous nerd rage if you please. Dorner was one of their own; may they kill each other until there are none left. Bad things happening to bad people’s families can be called karma; it isn’t right, or nice, or even acceptable, but there is no “right” or justice anywhere to be found. Too fucking bad if you want me to give a shit about those fucks, I’ll shed a tear for the millions of other injustices in the world instead.
        I’d not waste time calling a pig for any reason, nor would I ever expect them to help me in any way if I did…in fact I’d expect them to make any situation worse than if they were unaware of it.
        Yeah, YDIS posters, you go on circle jerking about OSR crap nobody but you reads or cares about, or small potatoes scams that get your ass-cunts
        all wet. That people here think they are above dogshit on the sidewalk is
        laughable.”

      • Timotheus permalink
        August 26, 2015 9:01 am

        “I actually have no idea WTF you are on about,”

        You’re a lying piece of shit, GenghisDorner. Or are you going to compound your lying by denying that you wrote the above, and all the other crap on the cited post? You were 100% behind it then, punk.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        August 26, 2015 10:00 am

        Sorry, Tim. I didn’t know there were two Dorner fans in the OSR community. Hell, I didn’t know there were two Dorner fans, period.

      • Timotheus permalink
        August 26, 2015 11:03 am

        Hey, no problem, Biggs. It is kinda unbelievable this fuckwad laughs at innocents getting killed, and berates us all as being lower than dogshit. Must be a John C. Wright fan.

        And, yes, it is sad that I remember GenghisDorner from 2 years ago.

      • August 26, 2015 3:25 pm

        I don’t see why you guys are mad at each other over Natalie Dorner. I mean, yeah, she was better in the Tudors than she is currently on Game of Thrones, but who cares? Any of you guys catch the Scandalous Lady W on the BBC? Dorner is in that too, I think.

      • August 26, 2015 6:31 pm

        Jack was the biggest Zak S fan in the world for a long time but then he also had this bizarre urge to court this sort of weird grumpy faction of old schoolers whose main entertainment is complaining that anyone else had done anything anyone else liked. Sort of some kind of contrarian clusterfuck

      • Genghis Don permalink
        August 26, 2015 6:42 pm

        I didn’t remember, and there is nothing there in favor of that Dorner guy. However, my complete uncaring of what happens to any pig remains exactly the same. Tiny Tim can love the murdering, thieving, thugs that are called American Cops, but I never will. The world gets better the less of them there are.

        No such thing as an innocent pig, i WILL laugh any time one dies, thanks very much

      • August 27, 2015 4:22 am

        Damn it, Zakbot, are you saying I shouldn’t post a review of A Red & Pleasant Land?

        Also, I love the idea of a “grumpy faction.” Anybody know who they are? I probably owe them some Christmas cards or Facebook nudges or something.

      • August 27, 2015 4:57 am

        if this collection of knuckle-draggers, edition-warriors, and sociopaths who have been trying to us run out of games for a year still managed to get something out of Vornheim, just imagine how much you–an individual well-adjusted and intelligent enough to be reading this blog without typing out paranoid conspiracy theories that dirty sexwomen are going to break into your house and force your children to play Old School dicegames about elves against your will–will enjoy it.

  22. Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
    August 25, 2015 10:19 pm

    Here’s the real reason why Kent is so upset.

  23. Oscar Anderson, Billionaire Dinosaur permalink
    August 26, 2015 7:18 am

    This is an outrage.

    Once again, we gay conservative dinosaurs have been totally shut out of the fucking Hugos.

    I wish you all will join me in slate voting next year, as we show these SJW CHORFs that we do not fuck around.

    The Sad Butt Pounder slate will finally show these libs who the trufans are.

    But be careful of that nutjob Chuck Tingle and his unhinged Rabid Butt Pounder slate; we definitely do not want to get lumped in with those extremists.

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      August 26, 2015 10:04 am

      Off-topic, Oscar, but were you outed in the Ashley Mastodon hack? Your predilection for mammals is well-known…

      • OA,BD permalink
        August 26, 2015 10:18 am

        Mr. Fist, I am generally not amused by assumed familiarity. Only those who have “ridden in the copter” may call me Oscar. Since you have not recieved any facials from me (if you have, accept my apologies, the memory is not what it was back in the Cretacious) I DO resent your addressing me in such a manner.

        …but yes, that hack was somewhat problematic for me.

        I appreciate your concern, and hope we can count on you to be a Sad Butt Pounder.

      • Gay Nigger from Outer Space permalink
        September 3, 2015 12:18 am

        Guess the ethnic identity of the founder of “Ashley Madison” and win a prize.

    • August 26, 2015 11:22 am

      Schiz 2.0 LIKES this.

  24. Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
    August 26, 2015 7:36 pm

    I just finished reading Hope Mirrlees’ Lud-in-the-Mist this morning. It’s a quick read, and it is an interesting diversion from the usual “mighty thews” fantasy. The novel portrays Faerie as dangerous and unknowable, but there’s an interesting twist at the end. The book’s central conceit of the tension between the human realm and the Faerie realm would be good model for a more subtle than usual approach to the law vs. chaos dichotomy.

    • August 26, 2015 7:49 pm

      Ironic since Law vs. Chaos, to the best if my knowledge, started its life as a fantasy trope as a central conceit of tension between human and fey worlds in Poul Anderson’s books Three Hearts & Three Lions. Memetic mutation is a funny thing, and sometimes the best way to breathe new life in an old trope is to scrape the accumulated cruft of decades of literary currency. (Incidentally much of the point of the OSR for not-a-real-grognard me, but I digress)

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        August 26, 2015 9:24 pm

        In the case of LitM, the conflict is more subtle, with the Law being extremely important to the human republic that borders on Faerie, and the influence of Faerie is a subtle one, a campaign of subversion rather than a military conflict. Chaos is never mentioned per se, but the powers of Faerie rely on delusion.

        In the end, the balance between the two poles is considered the preferable condition, much like it is in Moorcock’s works. Again, it is much more understated here than in Anderson or Moorcock.

      • August 27, 2015 5:39 am

        Now my interest is truly piqued. I’ll definitely look into it. I’m not much of a fantasy reader, admittedly, but is it just me or is subtlety terribly underappreciated in recent fantasy literature?

    • August 26, 2015 8:57 pm

      Interesting. Can you cross-post to Kent’s literary blog when you get a chance? Thank you.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        August 26, 2015 9:28 pm

        I already posted a review in the “post-MacDonald, pre-Tolkien” subforum, but the site administrator might move it to the “Ballantine Adult Fantasy” subforum, depending on how much adulterated poitín he’s consumed.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        August 26, 2015 9:44 pm

        UPDATE: He deleted the thread, citing the author’s gender as his reason for the deletion. Any intimation that a woman could attain 2nd level as an author is verboten on the forum.

        If any of you are wondering, Chuck Tingle has his own subforum.

      • Genghis Don permalink
        August 26, 2015 11:16 pm

        ouch

    • Timotheus permalink
      August 27, 2015 6:08 am

      Wow, that book looks great. Never heard of it before, even though I am a huge BAF fan (definitely Lin Carter’s biggest contribution to the cause, rather than his derivative fiction).

      Chuck Tingle subforum – here I come, ready for duty!

  25. Aos permalink
    August 27, 2015 5:55 am

    Hey, before I tell you all to fuck off, I thought I should mention that I only read books for smart people, like me, and I only listen to cool bands for cool people, like me.
    You fucking peasants.

    • Timotheus permalink
      August 27, 2015 6:09 am

      Hmmm, kent seems to be contagious.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        August 27, 2015 11:41 am

        Kentagion…

    • August 27, 2015 7:27 am

      Can you recommend any metal made by guys with porn mustaches that write lyrics exclusively about barbarians and 70s sci-fi? Bonus points if you can only buy their albums on half-broken cassettes.

      • August 27, 2015 8:30 am

        Can’t attest to their facial hair (or lack thereof) and their albums are up at iTunes, but The Sword sounds like the sort of band you’re looking for; stoner rock band which almost exclusively writes fantasy and SF lyrics, and a couple of songs I’m 99% sure are probably about someone’s D&D PC clearing Queen of the Demonweb Pits. I feel they should be the official band of the OSR and I suspect both fans and detractors will agree.

      • Aos permalink
        August 27, 2015 9:40 am

        Who do you guys think would win in a fight, Fagles or Lattimore?

      • August 28, 2015 10:14 am

        Jesus, the kent is strong in you this week. Mitchell lets them both tire themselves out slapping each other and then calls in the strike.

  26. FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
    August 27, 2015 10:48 am

    Trigger Warning: YOU’RE GONNA GET RAPED!!!!

    Now Available: Tournament of Rapists, the new RPG from Skortched Urf’ Studios/Otherverse! A GAME ABOUT RAPE COMBAT!

    http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/155549/Tournament-of-Rapists

    Naturally, Tenkar’s Turdshack is right on the job to give it tons of free publicity with feigned outrage so all the #gamergate twats can buy it in solidarity against the SJWs and Chris Field the piece of human garbage and feces that created it can cash in!

    I’ll be making popcorn so I can sit back and watch the hilarity that is sure to follow!

    RAPE!

    • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
      August 27, 2015 10:55 am

      We know Pundick’s lackeys Benoist and Brett Bernstein will defend your right to play a rape game, and GOPagan will post that he shall buy a copy because it is the right thing to do, but the real question is where will Zak S come down on the issue? This could be key for his career making dozens of dollars in the blOwSR, and with an ENnie win comes with great moral and social responsibility (or maybe I’m thinking of the Nobel Prize?) Only time will tell.

      • August 27, 2015 1:52 pm

        You are _way_ off mark when characterizing Benoist as a “Pundit lackey”.

    • Timotheus permalink
      August 27, 2015 11:20 am

      Wow, tenkar really brings in the intellectual heavyweights as commenters these days, eh? Like this comment by idungeoncrawl:

      “See also magicians. No one really wants to see a woman sawn in half, but the trick resonates none the less. Penn Jilllette has talked about that aspect of magic and the safety in the obstenstively unsafe before. I think it’s very similar.”

      Um…yeah. People gathered at a magicians show are…vicariously/safely?…sawing a woman in half. Because they secretly fantasize about doing it. And it very similar to…a bunch of cheeto-bearded bronies roleplaying rape combat…because it is SAFELY rape-combatting people…and it is only fantasizing…in dice-rolling detail…

      Jesus, what a fucking dumbfuck. That is Pundejo/Mjollnir/GenghisDorner level of stupidity and misassociation there. idungeoncrawl…we haven’t heard the last of him!

      • Genghis Don permalink
        August 27, 2015 5:54 pm

        how do you find the time to post here? I figured you’d be sucking cop cock all day & night, you stupid fuck

      • Kosher Space Lizard permalink
        September 3, 2015 12:24 am

        Congratulations on creating a new word, “misaccociation”.

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      August 27, 2015 12:00 pm

      All of a sudden, Willie Walsh’s smurfy pie adventures don’t seem so unappealing.

      Forgive me, Willie! Come back and save D&D! We’ll give you pie!

    • Arneson's Spectre permalink
      August 27, 2015 1:13 pm

      Just remember, all NPC babies resulting from in-game rape are gifts from God.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        August 28, 2015 2:07 am

        When a guy who calls himself Venger Satanis tells you that you’ve gone too far, you need to reevaluate your life, hoss.

    • August 27, 2015 1:31 pm

      Hey guys im back what did i…jesus shit.

      • August 27, 2015 1:42 pm

        Comics:

        Storm by Don Lawrence.
        Metabarons/Incal by Jodorowski/Moebius or gtfo
        Atomika by Saul abbinati
        Berserk
        Blame!
        Iron Empires by Christopher Moeller gets an honorary mention
        Universal War 01(which has been published by Marvel recently so you cannot appeal to americocentrism as an excuse not to have read it).
        The first couple of volumes of Dark Tower are good shit.
        Ennis’s first run on Punisher was excellent pisstaking and Punisher: The End was great. Transmetropolitan also gets a pass.
        Hellblazer is amusing and has some good ideas when it is not too busy lecturing you on the evils of western european civilisation.
        Planetary by Warren Ellis or GTFO
        Silver Surfer had some good limited series if i recall correctly.

      • August 27, 2015 8:59 pm

        I want to check out Blame! but the first issue/volume is crazy expensive on Amazon and I don’t want to read a download. Which of 2-10 should I jump in at?

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        August 27, 2015 9:17 pm

        It’s not like anything’s changed here, you’ve just spent a week hanging out with normal people, that’s all.

      • August 28, 2015 1:45 am

        @YDIS

        You jump in at 2 but i recommend reading 1 online or something since Tsumoto Nihei is not exactly a fan of exposition or explaining shit in general and missing tiny hints can render everything somewhat incomprehensible. That being said, Blame! is fucking cool and worth your time, though the first couple of volumes are superior to the later ones imho.

        @Blf
        Hahaha i’m still rockin the douchebaggy surfer look. Vacation fucking kicked ass.

      • August 29, 2015 9:32 pm

        I found Blame! because some dude made a free rpg of it and did a decent job: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Blam!

      • August 30, 2015 3:18 am

        @YDIS

        Linkfail. But looks cool. Blame! is gameable as fuck so good on them.

      • August 30, 2015 7:56 am

        Those sneaky bastards… try the link at the bottom of this write up: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Blame!

      • August 30, 2015 7:58 am

        These Internets wizards DO NOT like links coming from here! The RPG is called “Blam!” instead of “Blame!” Try “blame rpg” in Google, which should bring up the 1d4chan page for Blame! and the link to the rpg is at the bottom of the write up.

      • August 30, 2015 8:43 am

        YDIS my darling it is all good, i found it using the 1d4chan search engine.

    • Arneson's Spectre permalink
      August 27, 2015 7:10 pm

      Despite all the feigned outrage, I see Tenkar still manages to include an affiliate sales link for Tournament of Rapists. Fat fucking cunt. This is why America hates pig fucker cops and laughs out loud when they get killed in the line of douchery.

      • Arneson's Spectre permalink
        August 29, 2015 5:09 pm

        Looks like the SJWs learned their lesson last time with Grim Jim Rapey Pants and didn’t take the bait. Hardly a passing mention of Rape Fight Club Suckdungeon to be found. That’s gotta hurt!

      • August 31, 2015 12:32 am

        I come bearing gifts:

        (I’d expect someone who works for Pathfinder to talk about gamers in the first person. This is neither here nor there, really, but it’s an interesting little disconnect: it’s “we” when talking about the industry and “you” when addressing the consumer base, as though we aren’t all in this together or something…)

      • August 31, 2015 1:57 am

        Gee, a bunch of feminists are complaining about mysoginy in something they had no part in creating. What an exciting turn of events! I mean they could be doing actual activism against actual rape or actual mysogniy but i guess that involves leaving the house or some slight form of personal risk or time investment so we can protest an rpg that WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE MAN YOU GO GURL.

        Tournament of Rapists sounds awful and stupid but the more i read the neurotic mewling of these parasitic moral lepers the less of a shit i give. Radical Intersectional Feminism has no place in gaming, a civilised country or western civilisation. Fuck off.

        #communismkills.

      • Sparklemotion permalink
        August 31, 2015 5:21 am

        Andddd here come the SJW calling for all content that could be feigned as HARMFUL be removed. The streisand effect is in full swing and the writer of this book is going to make BANK now that everyone is wondering what all the fuss is about. Nothing like a good controversy to open the purse strings.

        I am GLAD that DTRPG is telling the SJW crew to go fuck themselves and not remove the product, merely restrict it to 18+ which is quite fine by me. Lock it off into the Adults Only world which it quite well belongs to.

        I bet these are the same slutjobs that would be all for Prohibition back in the day because it would be harmful to the moral fiber of the people.

        Fuck them all and fuck the faux outrage.

      • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
        August 31, 2015 5:30 am

        This is AWESOME! Some Paizo bitch couldn’t just shut her mouth and let Rape Fight Club fade into obscurity. The SJW emasculated men are out in force and the #gamergate douchebags are mobilizing. Now some SJW favorites are being called on the carpet too – Maid, Panty Explosion, Monsterhearts – for being too creepy pedophile!

        It’s a WAR ladies (who am I kidding there are no ladies here) and gentlemen!!! NOW WHO WANTS POPCORN AND A LAWNCHAIR?

      • Arneson's Spectre permalink
        August 31, 2015 5:46 am

        Thanks for the update, Von. I hate to say it but in his twisted little way FOTU is correct. They should have left well enough alone. Now this guy is going to make money hand over fist from the GamerGate assholes thanks to the SJW outrage brigade. I see Fred Hicks is distancing himself from the (non)controversy this time around and won’t be taking a stand. He admits DrivethruRPG is his main meal ticket and doesn’t want to bite the hand that feeds him. Sorry, SJWs. Your hero has abandoned you so now you are left with a couple of insignificant smelly feminists who haven’t shaved their legs and pits in years to try and put the screw to the Man.

      • bad wolf permalink
        August 31, 2015 10:47 am

        DTRPG says “not available” now so.. pulled? Apparently they’d never pulled anything until that stupid Gamergate card game, which leaves them open to needing to ban anything that gets twitterers upset. Let’s see how many more go down this year if we’re all playing the banning game now. (Always enjoy the “i sent a tweet on Saturday night and this company didn’t respond immediately” thing though)

        Did i completely misread Tenkar’s description in the first place? I thought the game was exclusively male-on-male rape. Why would female characters enter a rape tournament?

        Thanks for the update Von. Where do you find the twitter feed for the world’s worst people?

      • bad wolf permalink
        August 31, 2015 10:50 am

        BTW, am i wrong in thinking that Paizo has it’s own pdf sales website, so this is basically an employee of one company telling a competitor what to do? Weird.

      • Sparklemotion permalink
        August 31, 2015 11:15 am

        BadWolf: Both Erik Mona and The OMG BEEN RAPEDB4 twitternazi are both Paizo employees and both are calling on DTRPG to pull the file, you know, for the good of the Hobby/Industry

        Yet Paizo still has that Abortion Clinic D20 file up for sale.

        Rape=BAD OMG KILL THE FILE
        Abortion=Meh, killing Non-people, ’tis OK.

      • August 31, 2015 11:34 am

        Feminists are adamantly opposed to fictional entertainment that trivialises rape but are completely indifferent and indeed supportive of fictional entertainment that trivialises and occasionally glorifies murder as long as that murder is directed mostly against men, particularly white men.

      • August 31, 2015 2:17 pm

        @bad wolf – Tumblr, mostly. I can’t be bothered keeping track of Twitter conversations so I tend to get them in archived form with commentary when someone retreats to a more pedestrian format.

        @AS – you’re welcome, and yeah – there’s an adage about the only bad publicity being no publicity, or something like that anyway. I can’t help but wonder if kicking up a storm about things you don’t like is perversely more likely to get them noticed by people who’ll buy, endorse and defend them to prove you wrong. The Cause (any) might be better served if people talked up the good shit instead of blathering on about the works of the Enemy (whoever) until kingdom come, especially if those works are objectively dreadful. Leaving aside my PC Police Special Constable’s badge for a second, did anyone actually see the title ‘Tourmanent of Rapists’ and think “gosh, this looks like a quality product that will enrich my elfgaming no end”?

        @Prince – are you channeling Alan Moore or something? (I recently read the ‘last ever’ interview in which, among other things, he explains at great length that having a go at him for depicting sexual violence in a medium which cheerfully overdepicts not-sexual violence is more than a little bit off. Quite interesting stuff.)

      • September 1, 2015 1:49 am

        @Von. I remember that interview. The fact the outrage brigade went after such an uber-leftist and all around great comic book writer(just compare Moore-dark with Ennis-dark and you see the motherfucking topological levels seperating the two) is telling. I guess he was weak and had to be destroyed 😦

        On a more serious note, yeah, for some reason we are alright with depictions of brutal, endless, harrowing trench warfare but whenever a depiction of the ole in-an-out comes along its somehow beyond the pale(i should say against women, no one cares about rape scenes involving blokes).

      • September 1, 2015 3:28 am

        @Prince – I think people care a great deal about rape scenes involving blokes -as rapists-, but that’s mere nitpicking on my part.

        Moore’s trouble is that he actually grubbies his hands with matters of class and capital, and has the nerve to point out that many leftists are part of the problem as far as their ideology is concerned. Since nobody likes being told they’re not actually the working-class hero they think they are, left-leaning journalists/critics/creatives take offence, and the sexual violence present in much of his work allows for a deferral of that offence into an issue that doesn’t implicate the offended. Well, it’s a theory anyway. His depictions of rape are legitimately a bit dodgy sometimes, but I still think there are more than a few bruised middle-class socialist egos among his critics.

      • September 1, 2015 3:31 am

        It should be noted that whatever criticism we might level at Ms. Price here, she at least recognises the distinction between “features rape”, “is about rape” and “is fucking weird and uncalled-for about rape”. Credit where credit’s due and all that.

      • September 1, 2015 4:48 am

        @Von

        So basically they hate him because he is objective and critical and actually leftist rather then a commie-drone-in-left-clothing blindly adhering to the groupthink-of-the-week. And probably because he can make enjoyable stories with craftmanship and poetry. And because he is white and male. Got it.

        [distinction/credit]

        That’s like critcising Pol Pot because his method of detecting Intellectuals was faulty. It doesn’t matter if some vestige of nuance remains in her worm-eaten hive-brain, her starting position is that she knows what is best for everyone and what people should or should not enjoy and that she should be allowed to impose that ideology on others because badfeelz.

        Am i the only one lamenting the loss of salt mines? If we still had salt mines these tumblerettes could be given gainful employment. Their lives, while undoubtedly shorter and harsher, would be productive and would benefit society and they could pass out from exhaustion after days of gruelling forced labour with a feeling of accomplishment(and probably dehydration). Does anyone know where i can get myself a good salt mine? I mean all that salt isn’t going to mine itself.

      • bad wolf permalink
        September 1, 2015 7:32 am

        I really don’t get the “if i don’t want it NO ONE must be able to find it” mentality. If a store has an “Adults only” section, i assume that can cover for a multitude of sins. Is it a Canadian thing? A European influence? Too much experience of having heavily curated online shops like XBox Live, where you assume the company has heavily enforced corporate codes for the local buyer? In my day bookshops carried all kinds of crap, and the only people trying to get things taken off the shelf were super-religious nuts.

      • September 1, 2015 8:09 am

        @ bad wolf – don’t look at me. I lament that there’s a market for skeevy crap like Tournament of Rapists and I think that is a problem with gamerkultur/society at large, but I don’t think banning the book really addresses the problem.

        @ Prince – whereas “if you enjoy this you’re a sick fuck and I really hope you’re buying it to give yourself a safe outlet for sick fuckery with your group of other sick fucks and people who tolerate them, and it sickens me that there are enough of you sick fucks to justify this thing actually existing as a product that people can buy” is OK, yeah? Asking for a friend.

      • September 1, 2015 8:45 am

        @Von.

        To paraphrase 40k: To withdraw in disgust is not apathy.

        Sickfuckers gonna sickfuck, nothing to be done. I would reconsider my ties with anyone actually suggesting i play this game with them but by all means put the fucking thing on Drivethru. Its in the goddamn adult section for pete’s sake. This idea that books should be banned for giving people badwrongfeels is ludicrous. Not buying it is fine, not buying anything from drivethru is gay as fuck but still fine(haha like tumbler feminists actually play and buy fucking games), whining like a fucking bitch that a store should stop selling something because of your irrelevant emotions is the attitude of a spoiled entitled piece of shit and it is a goddamn disgrace to our civilisation and honour that we allow the whining of bipolar degenerates to dictate what a culture should look like.

        And for fuck sake let’s get rid of the idea that this rpg will somehow magically cause men to rape or promote rape culture some other scaremongering tripe. That discussion has been waged, and it has been won in favour of sanity and science.

        Man that was a relief. Now i feel like blogging about elfgames.

      • Sparklemotion permalink
        September 1, 2015 11:45 am

        Gareth ballSakra is blaming The Tournament of Rapists for the downfall of his profits this month. Couldn’t have anything to do with his shitty projects that are way past due and are generally garbage? Of course not, it has to do with a PDF that is causing such a shitstorm about raping people that it’s raping his profits. Rape.

      • September 1, 2015 11:49 am

        I prefer that the thing is out there to be insulted and talked down and flagged as the skeevy bilge it is than banned, I think. Compete with it by making stuff that’s better than it is in every possible way. The banhammer conveys a sympathetic underdog/victim status that it doesn’t deserve.

        ‘Rape culture’ is rapidly becoming another of those terms that I can’t bring myself to use because it starts boring same-old same-old arguments. You’ll never convince me that there isn’t… a tendency in modern culture to encourage men into acting like drooling idiots who can’t control themselves when a pair of norks walks by (that’s the basic principle behind “sex sells”, after all: slap some tits on it and watch male consumers lose their impulse control)… but you will achieve more by giving dudes a clip round the earhole for being skeevy to actual women and dissecting rapists’ brains to find out why they have this strange urge to fuck people who don’t want to fuck them back than you will by policing the elfgames they’re allowed to buy. You might even argue that keeping the creepy rape fantasies strictly in the realm of elfgames means they’re not doing any harm to actual women… which is legit, I suppose, but I’d rather not be associated (even by proxy) with the rape fantasists if it can be helped.

      • bad wolf permalink
        September 1, 2015 12:51 pm

        I thought the initial response, mockery plus open disdain, was proper. You can bring to market whatever you want, but the public reserves the right to side-eye you like you started peeing in the pool from the diving board.

        @Von-Japan would seem to support your suggestion; there’s nowhere safer to walk home at night, and their porn rates pretty high on the skeev-o-meter.

      • September 1, 2015 1:10 pm

        @Von

        I promise not to start a discussion on rape culture so i will not follow this up with arguments or even remarks, im just interested in your response. If you had to estimate the amount of rape per capita per demographic/ethnicity/nationality in western europe, do you believe indigenous european caucasians (presumably influenced by modern culture) would be in the top 3?

        The rest of your position is virtuous and as such i have no beef with it.

      • September 1, 2015 1:40 pm

        Depends. Are we talking about rapes reported to the legal system, rapes reported to agencies or persons outside the legal system, rapes which do not lead to charges being brought, rapes which lead to a conviction or rapes which can be demonstrably proven to be actual rapes?

        You’ll notice I’ve left out ‘rapes which actually occur’ since any valid estimate is based on reportage and I’d put money on a significant number that aren’t for whatever reason (mistrust in the legal system, “it’s my word against theirs”, “I enjoyed it so it can’t really have been rape”, “actually now that I think about it we were playing tonsil hockey for two hours so I can see how that might be implied consent and it’s not like I gave a loud clear NO at any point…”, just to pull a few out of the ether…)

        Also, who’s doing the raping and who’s being raped? ‘Rape per capita’ seems like a daft thing to say since there’s no guarantee that some ethnic group doesn’t do more raping and some other ethnic group doesn’t get raped more.

        (Also I have the sneaking suspicion that you’ve looked it up and that this is in fact a Trick Question.)

        TL;DR – I wouldn’t make an uninformed estimation, especially not in conversation with a social scientist who has a point to prove. Context is everything.

      • September 1, 2015 1:46 pm

        Oh, and why did we jump from gender to race all of a sudden? I don’t know if the goalposts have shifted, but the stadium certainly has…

      • September 1, 2015 2:35 pm

        @Von

        I am aghast, there was no trickery involved nor point to prove, i was curious what you personally believed, not the adoration of these mongrels i call kin.

        The stadium need not have shifted, the question was in response to your perception of modern culture, and while i could have fucked around with defenitions of ethnicity and culture and whatnot in western europe the distinction is arbitrary in large populations.

        Nevertheless, i abide by my promise not to follow up.

      • September 1, 2015 2:39 pm

        SKAAAAAAARKAAAAAAAA

        Sales! Off a CLIFF! Raggi! Might QUIT!

  27. Lamentations of Gary Gygax's Ghost permalink
    August 27, 2015 2:53 pm

    Wow, won’t be long before they (the mouth breathers in this shitty hobby) talk about what an awesome universal system is in there once you extract all the creepy and reprehensible rape subject matter in the book.

    I’m starting on a Chuck Tingle RPG pretty shortly using a hack of the Aftermath! system that I think people really need. I don’t think it will turn as many heads as Rapeqwest: the Qwest of the High Men but this is what gaming really needs right now.

    If the suicide rate of gamers is rising I’m getting clues as to why now.

    • Timotheus permalink
      August 28, 2015 7:36 am

      I would like to playtest your AfterTingle! game system.

  28. Timotheus permalink
    August 28, 2015 7:34 am

    The CenterStage Miniatures kickstarters took a couple hundred thousand dollars and then the dude running it went awol. Some people were directing their ire at Frog God Games because they took a chunk of that money in liscensing fees – the exact amount is unknown but speculated to be between 2-10 thousand bucks. Initially Matt Finch told the disgruntled backers, many of whom backed both kickstarters because FGG pushed it so very hard on their customers, to fuck off, as FGG claimed they did nothing wrong. But six months later, it seems like they developed a bit of a guilty conscience.

    http://swordsandwizardry.blogspot.com/2015/08/frog-god-games-re-center-stage.html

    Belatedly, this is the right thing to do, so this is kind of a shout out to a company I have critisized for being assholes before. It would be nice if Finch apologized for his earlier dickwaddishness, or at least admitted that they received a big chunk of money, but he is not that kind of guy. And while the offer seems very generous, FGG prices their pdf’s at a ridiculous price, like ten times what other companies charge, so it is not quite the good guy deal it seems.

    Certainly they are doing this in part to wipe the shit off their face, and it is way late, but good on them for coming around.

    • Arneson's Spectre permalink
      August 28, 2015 9:03 am

      I still have no idea what Troll Lord did wrong, and any gamer accusing them of wrongdoing is a social retard of the type that harasses Australian housefraus who write fan fiction online and buy shit like Tournament of Rapists and Carcosa. Responsibility clearly lies solely with CenterStage.

      • Timotheus permalink
        August 28, 2015 9:42 am

        Actually, A Spec, “Frog God Games” and “FGG” stands for Frog God Games, not Troll Lord.

        CSM ran a kickstarter for Demons and Devils – which FGG promoted hard. Then, before there had been any fulfillment, CSM ran another kickstarter, this time for FGG’s Tome of Horrors. FGG pushed it very hard, sending out multiple emails to customers to get them to join and pay.

        Then, before a single miniature had been sent out from that kickstarter, and only a handful had been sent out from their original kickstarter, CSM ran a third kickstarter, for Tome of Horrors 2 miniatures, which FGG again heavily promoted. Many joined both kickstarters because of FGG hard promotion.

        Yes, the failure of the kickstarter was CSM’s fault. But many backers lost their money because FGG lent their credibility to it. They should not have done it the second time, when it was clear that few minis had been sent out from the Demons and devils and none from TOH1. They do bear responsibility for for many of the backers signing up.

        Not sure it rises to the level of “wrongdoing” but it was greedy and irresponsible to their customer base, whom they repeatedly encouraged to back CSM. The way they pocketed the fees and shrugged their shoulders at their lost credibility was a big middle finger to their customers who backed it on their word.

        Feeling FGG should have acted differently by the time the second TOH kickstarter came into being is not the same thing as harrassing cancer-stricken Aussie houswives and getting rapegames.

      • Arneson's Spectre permalink
        August 28, 2015 12:43 pm

        Oh that’s right, Frog God used to be Necromancer Games, not Troll Lord. All this cut and paste and regurgitate shit starts to blend together after awhile.

        Didn’t Ernie Gygax do something similar – casually lend his name to something that fucked up?

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        August 28, 2015 1:18 pm

        I can’t believe those fuckers ran so many concurrent Kickstarters (same thing Nystul did, too, if I’m not mistaken). If they’d worked on their projects consecutively, they probably would have succeeded. I think that a lot of these campaigns are derailed by adding too many stretch goals, distracting the campaigners from the main project.

        Also, why did CSM even bother with licensing with Frog God, weren’t most of the monsters in ToH rehashed from TSR products?

      • Timotheus permalink
        August 28, 2015 1:44 pm

        A Spec – you’re right, I remember seeing Ernie lend his name to some group’s rpg kickstarter that tanked, not sure how much he promoted it though (although lending the Gygax name is pretty heavy promotion).

        Biggs, there were whispers by the time the first TOH KS started that the money it would bring in would be used to fulfill the figures in the Demons KS. And when the TOH2 started before any fulfillment on the first, more people speculated that it was being done to pay for TOH1. These people raising the issue were mocked and shouted down by some of the FGG crew in at least one thread on the Paizo forums.

        The licensing is interesting. necromancer originally got permission from WOTC to redo monsters from the Fiend Folio for their first TOH book back in 2002 or so. Not sure if they retained rights after all this time or what, but it is my impression that CSM licensed them from FGG for the prestige of association with FGG, and to tap into their customer base. Those monsters may or may not be open content under the OGL, but I really think CSM was more interested in the FGG connection/customer base and the increased sales from that rather than just going it on his own. I doubt the kickstarters would have brought in anywhere near what they did without the FGG relationship.

        And yeah, the volume of stretch goals unlocked probably doomed it, as all those extra models were clearly not budgeted for.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        August 28, 2015 3:27 pm

        Was FGG really such a draw? While I laud them for their altruism towards the CSM marks, I am a somewhat cynical man by nature- they are giving out PDF coupons to people who probably have bought their products already. Also, I checked out their site, seventy bucks for a PDF of ToH Complete sounds completely unrealistic. Some poor schmuck with a fifty dollar coupon would still have to fork over twenty dollars for a single PDF. The whole thing sounds like a clever marketing ploy disguised as a kind gesture.

        I may be coming across as dickish here, but I have an industrial grade bullshit detector.

      • Arneson's Spectre permalink
        August 29, 2015 5:07 pm

        Maybe the minis were going to be based on FGG’s artwork, which wouldn’t be covered under the OGL?

  29. rancor trigger warning permalink
    August 31, 2015 3:15 am

    I just saw a pic in my G+ stream of Mandy masturbating with toy rancor.

    • August 31, 2015 3:27 am

      Link+trigger warning?

      • rancor trigger warning permalink
        August 31, 2015 3:42 am

        It’s public on her G+ profile. It kinda advertisement I suppose.

        TRIGGER: YOU MIGHT GET RANCORED!

        Are there people out there who think that this shit is sexy?

      • August 31, 2015 3:54 am

        Yah its tapping into that degenerate demographic where people are just interested in how far you will go as supposed to the more wholesome tintillation/enticing female-buttocks mouthbreathing crowd. Asking whether some people find something sexy is always answered in the affirmative, sadly.

        Perhaps for her next trick she could masturbate with a signed copy of Jack Vance?

      • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
        August 31, 2015 5:24 am

        Trigger Warning: Diseased whore cripple desperate for cash!

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        August 31, 2015 10:28 am

        Would that be a rank whore with a rancor, old chum?

      • August 31, 2015 12:13 pm

        Gaaah i did not specify the particular work in question she would masturbate most effectively with. I’m thinking the Fantasy Masterworks softcover edition of Tales of the Dying Earth would be just right, the Gollancz hardcover of complete Lyonesse might be a bit too girthy and the Voyager pocket of Lurulu won’t even dent her.

    • August 31, 2015 12:10 pm

      #rancorsexabusematters

      • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
        August 31, 2015 2:27 pm

        #notallrancormasturbators

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      August 31, 2015 2:52 pm

      It’s entirely possible that she was inspired by this sordid little tale. Seems like there’s actually an audience for dinosaur erotica after all.

  30. Captain Kirks Dick Blood permalink
    August 31, 2015 5:00 pm

    It feels like every dude in the gaming community is turning into that diminutive grandpa character in almost every anime series ever. Panty explosion indeed. Let the “one,” Thorkie, show them the way! He’s the Neo to these half a fags.

    I really don’t want to look at the Mandy thing. Could somebody give a blow by blow on the vid? And I really want to ask, could she not have chosen a more outside the box figure to use? An Ewok, or maybe Bib Fortuna or something? Maybe a Jar Jar fig would have caused the proper amount of controversy to draw more attention? At least those are more dildo shaped. I bet more spooge comes out of the Rancor than Zak…the couple vids I saw of him and Mandy a few years back didn’t produce enough to fill a toothpaste cap.

    Has Satine been heard from in a coons age? Last I heard of her the other year she was saying “what if I have kids one day and have to explain…?” Rather than the usual old routine of “hee hee – I have a colorful past! Tee hee I’m an exibitionist! Hee hee”

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      August 31, 2015 7:28 pm

      I am reminded somewhat of this review of a shitty movie– these days, it’s all too common to just throw out a string of pop culture references with no context or meaning, expecting to be lauded for it. Jilling off with a Star Wars toy is just the sad sort of thing that’s supposed to get a +1 from the neckbeard contingent. I look it as the final signal that porn is neither transgressive nor subversive anymore- here we have a commoditized person pretending to be aroused by a mass-produced plastic representation of a character in a movie that was pretty much extruded entertainment product.

      I bet it’ll get a lot of likes on tumblr. In the interest of full disclosure, I found that movie review on tumblr.

    • September 1, 2015 3:34 am

      “Could somebody give a blow by blow on the vid?”

      If rancor trigger warning follows Mandy on G+, chances are he already has.

  31. FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
    August 31, 2015 7:09 pm

    This is fucking AWESOME! Trigger Warning: He’s on a lot of meds, but apparently not enough.

    • August 31, 2015 7:31 pm

      I like how the guy with the kiddie-rape dungeon fantasies apologizes for saying “fuck”.

      Fuck!

    • August 31, 2015 10:10 pm

      Whoa. Seriously, I think CVS is right and he needs to double up on the meds.

    • September 1, 2015 3:08 am

      Over or under the CVS-calls are a product of his hallucinations?

    • Aos permalink
      September 2, 2015 4:14 pm

      I fon’t have nerd field guide handy, who is this foodbeard?

      • Timotheus permalink
        September 3, 2015 6:07 am

        Someone who usually calls himself the EvilDM. We brought him into the spotlight after one of his vlogs where he said that his parents kept chickens in his hallway closet and he learned to kill them at an early age, then he jumped to how he used a nasty empire to get his players to understand how unfair taxation was, and then he had one of these imperial dudes rape and torture a tielfing girl one of his players had as a character because…well I stopped watching at that point.

        His videos are consistently, stereotypically fucking creepy as fucking fuck.

  32. FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
    September 1, 2015 4:25 am

    Saw these today in my Google Plus feed. Some black woman was selling them, so yay diversity in gaming?

    • don't forget to shoot a load in her ear permalink
      September 1, 2015 7:57 am

      Does that top die say “ears” on the right side there?

      edit – haha, someone has the email address ears@hotmail.com.

  33. Wundergeekbot permalink
    September 1, 2015 7:43 am

    Now, I’ve written about the D&D 5th Edition Player’s Handbook in the past, which can be summed up as ZOMG! SO MANY AWSUM WIMMINZ!! So I was honestly a bit reluctant to go through and examine all of the images in detail, because I was afraid that my overwhelmingly positive feelings would be complicated by the actual reality. And it turns out that I was right to be concerned, unfortunately. (But I’ll come back to that part.)

    • Sykirobme permalink
      September 1, 2015 10:34 am

      You got wood looking at all the Clyde Caldwell art, didn’t you?

      • Sykirobme permalink
        September 1, 2015 10:37 am

        Shit, why did I read that as 2nd Edition. Ignore me. Everyone else does.

  34. Timotheus permalink
    September 1, 2015 8:33 am

    …and now we know why the great guys at Frog God Games tried to assume a high profile in giving some coupons for their ridiculously priced pdfs to the backers they convinced to cough up thousands of dollars to CenterStagePonzi.

    They have a new kickstarter! For more adventures in their stupidly-named Lost Lands! With Vikings!

    $45 for a pdf pledge, $125 for an actual hardcopy book (not including shipping). Those guys just love their little Stockholmites.

    • Timotheus permalink
      September 1, 2015 8:36 am

      Man, I am too fucking stupid to post a link anymore. Well go to kickstarter and look up “northlands Saga” or something if you want to pay through the nose for shit you came up with when you were 17.

    • Sparklemotion permalink
      September 1, 2015 10:55 am

      I really like FGG’s products. I’ve paid for most of them when it was converting from old D20 to PF/S&W. This new shit? I’m not dropping $50 on a PDF no matter who the hell it is.

  35. James Edward Raggi IV permalink
    September 1, 2015 1:53 pm

    Without the ability to freely create, and freely reach people who might be interested in those creations, participation in this hobby and this industry is simply not worth doing.

    Anyone who would restrict that creativity, or make it more difficult to find people who are creating things you might enjoy, anyone who restricts imagination and works of fiction, anyone who works to ban any work, is simply evil.

    Evil.

    We have lost a great deal over the past several days.

    • Lamentations of Gary Gygax's Ghost permalink
      September 1, 2015 2:19 pm

      So Raggi wants me to send him Rapeqwest: Search for the High Men and by me telling him it wasn’t appropriate I’m stifling freedom? I don’t want him to fucking release it, okay?

      Also, someone tell GunterWeek that the wound will never fucking heal if you keep picking at the scab.

      • bad wolf permalink
        September 1, 2015 2:26 pm

        As i said above, “which leaves them open to needing to ban anything that gets twitterers upset.” I guess we’re there already.

        A friend from Pakistan was pretty surprised that we found a copy of Mein <Kampf openly displayed in a Barnes and Noble. I see that The Turner Diaries is openly carried by Amazon. I guess books are allowed a leeway that games and comics are not–part of their cultural hierarchy?

      • bad wolf permalink
        September 1, 2015 2:32 pm

        Oh, and sorry Raggi, since the Gamergate card game was already pulled and banned, why are you still with your primary income source again?

      • September 1, 2015 11:37 pm

        @ bad wolf – in ref. The Turner Diaries, I can only assume that the controversy there was done and dusted long before many of these tubthumpers were born. I would never have heard of it if I hadn’t taken a course on ‘Unpopular Texts’ at university, and I am not that much older than some of these angry young things currently fighting the culture wars. These things come and go, is the point I’m trying to make: remember the burnings of Ulysses in the 1920s?

        I think you’re right about cultural hierarchy. This is about the Folio Society and Hi-Fi enthusiasts drawing up their battlelines against video games and iPods. You see a bizarre reflection of it even in RPGland with people like me who took years too long to adopt the PDF and even now shun the One True Way that is Google Plus (the preferred medium for gamers who Get Shit Done, or so I’m told), citing non-reasons like their discerning taste in players and their belief that the magic doesn’t happen when you’re not all in the same room. Utter poppycock really.

    • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
      September 1, 2015 2:26 pm

      I’m going to keep hitting refresh at rpgnow until the reporting functions go up so I can be the first to report Legend of the Fap Princess for inappropriate content.

      • Lamentations of Gary Gygax's Ghost permalink
        September 1, 2015 2:34 pm

        Poor Raggy, an entire product line named and catered to a female that wouldn’t even give him a hand job in a bathroom stall at an Agoraphobic Nosebleed concert.

        “I named an entire game system after you!” Raggi sobs, “What more could I have done?”

        “Maybe you could’ve done a sit up or two you fat, greasy fuck.” So says the fiery girl with a flip of her hair.

        (Sad trombone music)

      • Arneson's Spectre permalink
        September 1, 2015 2:41 pm

        I love that Raggi’s company is named after some red headed woman he creepily stalked but wouldn’t give him the time of day to the point of moving to that socialist shithole he lives in now. These fatbeards like Raggi and Chris Field are seriously mentally disturbed.

      • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
        September 1, 2015 2:46 pm

        Nobody is better than CVS Pedo Rape YouTube Guy! NOBODY!

      • Timotheus permalink
        September 1, 2015 2:50 pm

        Yeah, if Faggs is totally committed, next we will see Tournament of Stalkers featuring an overweight expat who thinks gore is cutting edge, with Dorito-dusted hair and who, in between mouthfuls of twinkies and ho-hos, chases a skank onto a ship and across the atlantic. Not to encourage actually playing in this kind of sandbox, mind you, but rather as one of many villains that must be destroyed.

    • Arneson's Spectre permalink
      September 1, 2015 2:37 pm

      The beauty of this situation is that over at 7chan, some pirate named volcanohound is giving away all of Chris Field’s PDFs because he “stands in solidarity” with him.

      Gee, dumbass. You think now that the guy can’t make any money at the biggest and most visible rpg pdf outlet maybe you shouldn’t cut into whatever remaining sales he has left if you support him so much?

      • Lamentations of Gary Gygax's Ghost permalink
        September 1, 2015 2:54 pm

        With friends like these…

        Fortunately Aftertingle! Roled by my own Roll will be a game no one would dare to pirate. With modules like ‘Beholden To My Beholder’ and ‘Displaced and Bested By My Displacer Beast Boyfriend’
        Kickstarted soon for ‘Mimicked By a Mimic’ with a side of ‘Doppeled by My Doppelgänger Millionaire Butler’

      • Timotheus permalink
        September 1, 2015 2:59 pm

        Hopefully you will have an FGG-stlye $1,000 “Veteran of the Tingle Wars!” dollar pledge level where the backer can actually play AfterTingle! with you at NTRPGCon.

        Hoping for a friend.

    • Timotheus permalink
      September 1, 2015 2:45 pm

      Our entire game culture has been sabtogaed, nay, destroyed, because of the decreased availablity of Tournament of Rapists.

      Pure, uncompromising Evil!

      Jesus. All these pieces of shit like Raggi can’t see the trees for the forest. So caught up in ephemeral generalized concepts that the specifics are inconsequential to them.

      We were all able to play whatever game we wanted to before Tournament of Rapists was on drivethrurpg. We will still be able to play whatever game we want if it is no longer available there.

      Waitaminute…in his actual blog post, Faggs says he might pull all of his stuff from these distributors. Is this just a convenient excuse for him to throw in the towel on the 2012 Grande Adventure campaign, and blow off fulfillment???

      • Lamentations of Gary Gygax's Ghost permalink
        September 1, 2015 2:59 pm

        Yeah, Raggi would risk the tens of dollars he makes in order to make a stand for freedom. That would cut into the amount of hash he could afford and if he were sober for even a moment he’d realize his sorry state of affairs and probably Death, Frosting, Doom himself real quick.

      • Sparklemotion permalink
        September 2, 2015 6:20 am

        so I went ahead and snagged a copy of the Tournament of Rapists. I declare this book the Book of Vile Darkness of Pathfinder.

        Just got to the 3rd page:

        Big Tourney called The Rape Pure Fight here are it’s rules for victory:

        Males and females enter, no guns, everything else is allowed. After 4 days the best surviving males and females fight each others. Females must kill the males, males must RAPE THE FEMALES TO DEATH.

        Yes, that’s the rule right there, page 3, 1st paragraph under the wacked out picture of a dumpster full of dead women.

        I’ll post more as I read onward.

      • Sparklemotion permalink
        September 2, 2015 7:10 am

        Ohh and the goodness keeps on giving in the monster section:

        Hibagon Oni (SU):

        The Black Sumo is an especially sadistic and rapacious breed of oni. As long as the Black Sumo commits an act of rape each day, he gains the No Breath racial quality, and becomes immune to thirst and starvation. IF he fails to commit a rape, he loses this quality for one month after the rapes resume.

        Best get to raping if you don’t want to starve to death!

      • Sparklemotion permalink
        September 2, 2015 7:30 am

        The monster manual is a treasure trove of mind fuckery.

        What shit is this?!?!? Why Coon of Filth is what it is. What is Cocoon of Filth? Glad you never asked!

        Cocoon of Filthy (SU)

        Blind Razor (some monster) can transform his foul shit into dense, stinking armor, which provides cover and DR5/magic and piercing

        That’s not all that’s shit!

        Bones of Shit (SU)

        Blind razor can dissolve it’s skeleton into a boneless mass of necrotic tissue.

        In fact it becomes a Shit Pudding!

        There are dozen more abilities that involve shit, buttholes, and even a familiar made of asscandy.

        Then we have The Elegant which is kind of like the leige lord to this whole tournament, or maybe it’s just the author’s mastabatory fantasy of who he’d love to be in this world of shit and rape. He is described as 175 years old, but could be a teenager, could be man hardened by a lifetime of violence (BUT NOT RAPE!), but dresses in only the FINNNEEEST of clothing. He, of course, has a mask of rich mahogany that he wears at all times. I wonder if it has noseplugs for the shit demons?

        Good god our next one is a Fallen Eryines. Once she uses her fists of fury (which for some odd reason doesn’t involve fisting herself or others) her hands burn with black flames that smell of sweat and cum. Because what else would your hands smell like?

        How does she recharge her abilities? Why by brutally raping others of course! Silly me.

        Goryohime Strangler (should’ve been Gloryhole strangler):

        Has the ability on death to orgasm and be reborn. That’s how they got their on the first place. They blew their load right as they died by self-asphyxiation, and rose to rape and fight again!

        Kitsune-Kiiroi:

        Can transform his penis into a weapon, a spear with razor sharp tendrils

        Can transform into a dog or fox with a tail that gives it a Bonus to Balance, this tail is right above the butthole , says so in the text and that makes all the difference.

        Mecha-Oni:

        Pink purple hell demon that transforms it’s penis into a Gwar shotgun of cumblood. buzz saw blades, and a steel pincher.

      • Sparklemotion permalink
        September 2, 2015 7:43 am

        Mortal Sex Criminal:

        An ordinary japanese man in his 20s-30s. These are your mooks. Imagine a pack of these guys using their Without Conscience (SU) ability attacking Erines because he’s powered by RAPE!

        MRA Woman Breaker (OH THIS ONE IS AWESOME!)

        Threatened Masculinity (SU): The MRA Woman-Breaker werars his sense of fagile superiority over womankind like armor. He recieves a luck bonus equal to his HD vs female adverasries.

        The best lines are the fluff pieces and I QUOTE:

        “Sometime between finding time to complain about feminist themes in the new Mad Macx movie and rigging Hugo Award nominations to favor his breed of male authors, the MRA Woman-Breaker found a link on a ghost website that led him into the shadows of Black Japan. He heard about an illegal fighting tourney, one where he’d have a chance to show off his Bowlfex muscles, a chance to rape and beat any woman stupid enough to tstp into the ring with him, a chance at millions. All he had to dis every thing he’d ever masteruabted to the though of. He booked the first flight East.

        The MRA Woman-Breaker is handsome and strong. Of course he is. He knows how to fight, and his hatred has opened up subconscious doors of oni-tainted power. He’s won a few fights and found it much easier than he it’d be to rape a woman to death and while spitting in her face (NICE HOBBY BUDDY!). He’s poised for the next fight on the card, and is too stupid to realize that he’s a bleeding guppy in a pool full of sharks.”

        Now who could this person possibly be?!??!

        Phallic Swarm: A swarm of penis’. Cat sized dicks attempting to rape you. Need I say more? Think of alien facehuggers but with schlongs.

        Rape Dog: Hunt’s cats with it’s spiked dick and of course rapes them with it’s phallic spear rape dick of rape. This is the 3rd spiked dick monster.

        Final Boss Guy: The guy that runs everything in the background. His mother was found dead in a hot tub by her vajayjay opened up by a surgical scalpel spilling out all her arteries. Of course he’s Half-Oni and he’s pissed and rich. Sounds like Donal Trump.

      • September 2, 2015 12:08 pm

        How does anyone get mad at this? It’s too fucking silly, impossible not to smile reading it.

      • September 2, 2015 7:43 am

        Hahaha this is the worst.

      • Timotheus permalink
        September 2, 2015 7:50 am

        “Cocoon of Filthy (SU)
        Blind Razor (some monster) can transform his foul shit into dense, stinking armor, which provides cover and DR5/magic and piercing
        That’s not all that’s shit!
        Bones of Shit (SU)
        Blind razor can dissolve it’s skeleton into a boneless mass of necrotic tissue.
        In fact it becomes a Shit Pudding!”

        Hey, now we know why Raggi is standing in solidarity with this punk!

      • bad wolf permalink
        September 2, 2015 10:36 am

        “Puerile” does seem to be underselling it.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        September 2, 2015 11:15 am

        Rape Dog: Hunt’s cats with it’s spiked dick and of course rapes them with it’s phallic spear rape dick of rape. This is the 3rd spiked dick monster.

        Hunts cats and fucks them with a spiked dick? In other words, the Rape Dog is a cat.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        September 2, 2015 11:18 am

        The alternate title of this RaPeGame could be “apostrophe atrocity”, I mean, what the fuck is up with the punctuation?

      • Sparklemotion permalink
        September 2, 2015 11:18 am

        Bigby my sweet luvable fucktoy, that’s clearly not the case.

        You see ‘cats’ are not just normal kitty cats like you’d see on the streets. One that Zak S would skin alive with his mullethawk and have mandy feed him entrails. Oh no, ‘cats’ also include anthromorphic cat people whom the skinless Rape Dogs hunt down and rape to kill/eat/rape with their spiked phalic spear.

        Because this setting includes Anthromorphic animal yiffy people to rape. You can’t have rape without raping some dude who looks like a sheep after all.

        Silly Blooey.

      • September 2, 2015 11:21 pm

        @Prince

        Someone else can take this bullet. Putting it bluntly, I don’t want to read the damn thing. It may be Bad Wrong Reading Fun, but when presented with the title TOURNAMENT OF RAPISTS my first reaction is “what?” and my second reaction is “nope” and that’s about all the courtesy I feel it deserves. I feel I might just be allowed to judge a book by its cover, this one time.

      • September 2, 2015 11:25 pm

        Also, hawk spit Pathfinder.

        Also also, the above samples suggest that whoever drew the ghastly murder dildo and Tzimisce boob-Nazi illustrations for the old White Wolf stuff decided to try their hand at writing their own game.

    • September 1, 2015 3:53 pm

      Right, so Rpgshite took a nosedive for political correctness and now you can report possibly offensive content to the politburo for immediate deportation. Lamentations of Raggs aside, why not simply call on people to report ridiculously inoffensive products as abusive as a matter of course until it becomes obvious the whole system is an unsustainable mess. Tournament of Rapists is apparently about fighting rape-monsters(you didnt expect feminists to read something before they get offended did you?) which is a little close to some of the stuff in Raggs’s catalogue so i get why he is getting antsy.

      So Raggs: Advice free of charge. Start a whisper campaign to get as much people as you can find to label seemingly inoffensive products as offensive. Abuse the hell out of it until its obvious this whole situation is absurd. You could report Arrows of Indra as offensive to Indians and trannies for example. I cite this only as an example. I am NOT repeat NOT RECOMMENDING YOU REPORT ARROWS OF INDRA AS OFFENSIVE because that would be juvenile trollery and we are above such things.

      • September 1, 2015 5:11 pm

        I’m reporting Bloodymage’s entire catalog, just so that someone reads it. He’s probably dead and he deserves that much, at least.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        September 1, 2015 6:25 pm

        Blooey dead? Unpossible!!! He’s just retired to a nice farm somewhere in Missouri, where he has three sit-down meals per day and his continence problems have resolved themselves, and the dog-groomer chicks aren’t crazy.

        Either that, or he was welcomed as the second coming of Mormon Jesus, and he’s now living in luxury as a demigod while his minions build a temple to him in the show me state. All hail the new overlord, the bloo overlord.

      • Arneson's Spectre. permalink
        September 1, 2015 8:44 pm

        PrinceofNothing is a stupid cunt and I hope he gets to watch his children raped in front of him someday by some nutjob inspired by Raggi and Chris Field’s “art”.

      • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
        September 1, 2015 8:47 pm

        This guy will rape them kids! Rape ’em REAL GOOD!

      • September 1, 2015 11:44 pm

        “Tournament of Rapists is apparently about fighting rape-monsters…”

        … and you’ll never end up needing any spells but banishments in Carcosa.

      • September 2, 2015 1:25 am

        @Aspec

        I thought all the gangbangers had made the transition to Pathfinder these days.

        @Von

        We haven’t read it though have we? With Carcosa that argument was nonsense. Its on 7chan now, so we aren’t supporting the designer. d20 roll+honor system for a review?

      • shlominus permalink
        September 2, 2015 1:44 am

        make up your own mind. a agree with von.

      • September 2, 2015 2:06 am

        Ey shlominus, long time no see.

        They leave the possibility open, this whole product is skeevy as shit and i wouldnt touch anyone playing it with a ten foot pole, but as far as ass covering goes they have a better case then Carcosa.

        Thank you for clearing shit up.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        September 2, 2015 3:07 am

        Damn, the grammar is even more offensive than the subject matter.

        “Must either allow their opponent to either take one blow against them…”

        The real victim here is the English language.

        #notallsentencestructure

      • Sparklemotion permalink
        September 2, 2015 7:44 am

        I plan on marking all the Dragonlance material as offensive. Why? because my child hood was ruined because of that fucking Kender and he deserves to be banned from all mention for eternity.

      • bad wolf permalink
        September 2, 2015 12:34 pm

        Right, how many sock puppet accounts do you “not” want us to get to make sure we “don’t” flag the whole store by accident? *wink*wink*

  36. Timotheus permalink
    September 2, 2015 9:00 am

    Once again, the Raggi Faithful show their grasp of the complex dynamics of whatever the fuck they are talking about:

    https://plus.google .com/112262093672917983853/posts/9uMfs8e4iM2

    (as usual, remove the space between the “e” and the “.” to see brilliance in action)

    This Gennifer Bone idiot is almost Geoffery McArthur-level awesome:

    “Honestly, if someone writes a book book about how to stalk and rape people, it should be sold.

    If someone writes a book about bomb making, it should be sold.

    If someone reads a book, plays a game, or sees a movie, and cannot figure out that what happens there (rape, murder, car chases, ect…) are bad ideas in real life, then they need a caretaker, not a censor.”

    Um, yeah, because none of those things happen in real life…caretakers prevent this kind of shit from ever happenning…

    Now they are arguing that if a book on child porn is made, it should be sold – because otherwise, the nazis win…

    • Sparklemotion permalink
      September 2, 2015 9:41 am

      I love the slip’n’slide slope with 50 Gallon Lube used in all these arguments. I fully expect someone to create a DTRPG competitor in a month and all these ‘edgy’ books flock there.

      6 months later it will collapse in and on itself because half of these fucks have no earthly idea how to run a website let alone a major company with credit card transactions.

      I wish them the best tho!

    • Sparklemotion permalink
      September 2, 2015 10:09 am

      This is the best thing to happen to my Wednesday. Full blown internet outrage and meltdown by the Grog’s and DTRPG over a D20 product that is complete and utter shit. SJW coming out of the word work, Jim Crow getting tossed at OBS, all I need now is James Majewhatever to come back with a photo of him giving a hand job to Ken Whitman splooging over Jolly Blackburn and this day will be fucking complete.

    • bad wolf permalink
      September 2, 2015 10:17 am

      Again, i have to wonder if this is partly an American/European thing. Bone (American) says that all books should be available because she’s an American and that’s what we do here. Black (English) says that everything dangerous should be banned.

      I think that child porn as text or manga is actually allowed, as it’s production causes no harm to minors. Hey, don’t look at me.

      • Sparklemotion permalink
        September 2, 2015 10:43 am

        There ARE limits, there always are. Each culture/region/population center/gov’t/religous body has them. This issue is not black/white but a myriad shades of gray (NOT THE FUCKING HORRIBAD BOOK YOU DEGENERATES) that make up this issue.

        On one hand you want people to consider social norms on the other you want people to allow everything. Neither side is ‘good’ , both are risky, both are messy, finding something in the middle is neither popular nor wise as you are left with shit.

      • bad wolf permalink
        September 2, 2015 10:50 am

        Yeah, i mean i do see the limits of ‘polite society’, and would wish people would police themselves more effectively, but this super-linked up world lets everyone point fingers and boy do they seem to like it. Getting tired already of this Gawker-style hit piece world we’ve got now.

        That’s all analysis of the response/support, i realize, as the original complainer was from Seattle, as are many of her supporters from what few i’ve clicked on to check. Creeping Canadianism, perhaps.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        September 2, 2015 11:03 am

        I wouldn’t chalk it up to creeping Canadianism- isn’t she a Paizo employee? My take on it is that she’s trying to protect the brand. The Raggi/Rapey axis makes the entire hobby look scummy… next thing you know, talking heads on cable TV will be fostering a moral panic and some dumb kid will be found dead in the steam tunnels.

        I’m getting flashbacks, I think I’ll go watch a Wang Chung video on YouTube.

      • Arneson's Spectre permalink
        September 2, 2015 11:19 am

        Bone is wrong when she says that’s what we do here in America. The Supreme Court has on numerous occasions defined what is and isn’t permitted for free speech. Shouting FIRE! in a crowded movie theater is not protected by free speech. More directly related to this would be Miller v. California in which the Supreme Court reaffirmed community decency standards and redefined obscenity as that which lacks “serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.” And feces like Tournament of Rapists, Legend of the Fap Princess Grindhouse Edition, and Carcosa clearly lack any value except to any sociopath that would conceive of or purchase that garbage.

        This is why I laugh when all the pseudo-libertardians of the blOwSR go on about free speech when they clearly have no fucking clue what they are talking about.

        IANAL, but I am a physician, so that makes me smarter than lawyers since it is much harder to get into medical school than it is to get into law school who will pretty much take anyone as proven by the existence of shit for brains like Ettin of RPGNet or that creepy Asperger cunt Mistwell.

      • Sparklemotion permalink
        September 2, 2015 11:20 am

        Bad Wolf: The problem is that this book labeled itself as “Pathfinder” on DTRPG. IF they had left off that label that said this book was compatible with “Pathfinder” Paizo would never have create a shit storm to begin with. If only Skorched Urf had left out that one lil tag none of this shit would’ve ever happened.

      • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
        September 2, 2015 11:26 am

        But is it ok to yell Movie! in a crowded firehouse?
        Also, does this look infected to you?

      • September 2, 2015 12:13 pm

        What’s going on there? It’s balls, right? Where’s the wiener? Is it that tiny red swelling… but did the wiener hole close up or something? Someone help 😦

      • bad wolf permalink
        September 2, 2015 11:31 am

        Spectre–i think that was my characterization about why Bone said what she did. And applying community standards to something on the internet is… problematic, as they say.

        Coming soon: “FIRE in the RPG store”, another awesome Skorched Urf joint.

        Sparklemotion–was there an adult tag also, or missing? didn’t look until too late.

      • September 2, 2015 12:14 pm

        I can see merit in the position that says you can write shit down as long as its fictional entertainment, you slap some sort of courtesy sticker on it and it does not provably harm nor cause sociopathy in the weirdos that buy it but jesus shit advocating that you should be allowed to have swastika-daubed manuals on explosive-production and terrorism with a list of printed instructions on where to find the largest distribution of victims is kind of retarded.

        The tagging stuff seems like a bullshit excuse to me. DTRPG wants to avoid a boycot mob but they also don’t want to seem like they are caving in.

      • Sparklemotion permalink
        September 2, 2015 12:15 pm

        fuck that picture is terrifying.

        BW: Yes Tournament of the RapeyRapists was flagged for both “Adult” and “Pathfinder” and only verified purchasers over 18 were allowed to see it.

        This is according to StevieBoy at OBS.

      • bad wolf permalink
        September 2, 2015 12:32 pm

        Prince–Well, you do seem to have a lot of bombings on that side of the pond, maybe that’s why it seems weird. (Not that mosques full of radicalized unprocessed immigrants has anything to do with it.) We had stuff like that in the libraries growing up and while it always seemed ‘cool’ and subversive, few if any of us tried any of that out. At least after the 60’s died down.

      • September 2, 2015 12:52 pm

        @bw.

        You might be on to something there. Times are a changin’ and all that.

        (Unfortunately many of the people on our side of the pond(i refer to holland specifically) that join ISIS and friends are second or third generation radicalised descendants of the migrant workers our goverment saw fit to import during the 80s in its infinite wisdom. The radicalised unprocessed immigrant fun has barely even started. I mean no we will lock hands and assimilate them with our melting-pot ray and all will be well.)

      • Lamentations of Gary Gygax's Ghost permalink
        September 2, 2015 1:11 pm

        Arneson’s Spectre may be the professional but when Zpastic showed me something similar on his own testicles I advised him to just squeeze the pustules as hard as he could until they drained. Well, he followed that advice and that fuckers still around typing liked an amphetamine driven chihuahua on a double espresso bender. Sound advice from me to you.

      • bad wolf permalink
        September 2, 2015 1:22 pm

        By the way, FOTU, i spent the morning looking at pictures of autopsies carried out on cancer-ridden mice. Thanks for topping that!

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        September 2, 2015 2:32 pm

        Looks like you finally found Blooey. Good work, FotU!

      • Timotheus permalink
        September 3, 2015 6:09 am

        Mother fucking trigger warning applied for, x card tapped, gah, thanks FOTU.

    • bad wolf permalink
      September 2, 2015 1:03 pm

      Oh, what a relief! Only two or three more generations to go before… wait, what?

  37. September 3, 2015 1:53 pm

    wassup bros I just spent a lot of time googlecrapping the FUCK out of myself + dungeons n dragons, check this shit out its gonna STICK like barba streisand’s fuckin house yo

    http://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.com/2015/09/incomplete-filmogrphy-of-everyone-whos.html

    cc: hasbro brand management team, legal, investor relations

    • Timotheus permalink
      September 3, 2015 2:16 pm

      Their parents must be so proud.

      2000 movies among a dozen skanks – I bet the have cuntlostomy bags.

    • Dungeons & Dragons An Axel Braun Parody permalink
      September 3, 2015 2:17 pm

      Maybe I’m just a 12yo in the body of a neckbeard but I LOLed.

      No Chuck Tingle adaptations, though? 😦

      • Dungeons & Dragons An Axel Braun Parody permalink
        September 3, 2015 2:20 pm

        I would pay clean honest American money to see Zak playing the hapless romantic/comic/butt-pounded counterpart to Oscar Anderson, Billionaire Dinosaur.

        In fact I’m off to kickstart this shit

      • Lamentations of Gary Gygax's Ghost permalink
        September 3, 2015 3:11 pm

        Hey, even Zpastic knows there are IP lines you don’t cross. No one fucks with the Tingle IP or they wake up with a triceratops head in their fucking bed. I’m paying a princely sum for the Aftertingle! RPG license.

        While Zpastic is putting this list together to be ‘cool’ ( to who it will be said cool I have no idea ) in order to NOT do the dishes or launder AGAIN

      • Lamentations of Gary Gygax's Ghost permalink
        September 3, 2015 3:14 pm

        You know, important work. It’s okay to live in filth like a seventeen year old crust punk when you have porn cred after all.

        #morewreckedassesthanevenKent

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        September 3, 2015 6:25 pm

        Can’t mess with Tingle’s IP, his legal team will fuck you up, or maybe they’ll just fuck you.

    • September 3, 2015 4:25 pm

      So working for a company that some random dude said something shitty about trans people on his private Twitter account is not cool, but starring in films for companies that maintain and market interracial sex as transgressive and taboo is A-OK? Got it.

    • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
      September 4, 2015 4:16 am

      #HabroFamilyPornNight

  38. September 3, 2015 10:38 pm

    http://massivelyop.com/2015/09/02/pathfinder-online-lays-off-almost-entire-staff/

    I feel a tiny bit sorry for Paizo now. They just want to get a token hit in on WoW before it finally keels over and dies (and well they should, have you seen the bastard’s loot table?), but they’re a couple of million shy on the old Kickstarter and they’re reduced to asking MMO players “please be nice and welcome new players and continue to pay for something that isn’t finished yet”. Well… 50% is -almost- a passing grade.

    • Sparklemotion permalink
      September 4, 2015 8:20 am

      “According to Stevens, Goblinworks CEO Ryan Dancey left the company two weeks ago for personal reasons unrelated to the layoffs.”

      Dancey is a business machine. He knew that shit was going south so he said “I’m out bitches” Once you see Dancey leave anything you know it’s done for.

      Who the fuck would pay the same amount people pay for WoW for this half assed abortion of a game when, hell, you could get Guild Wars 2 for free!

      • September 5, 2015 12:56 am

        GOOD QUESTION. Also, is Guild Wars 2 any good? I played the first one but it felt a little bit like being shoved out of the front door and told “go out to play and don’t come back ’til teatime.” WoW has a very curated, very carefully sculpted entry-level experience and I haven’t really found another MMO that’s been quite so good at taking me by the hand and showing me how to tie the knot before the needle goes in.

      • September 5, 2015 1:04 pm

        GW2 is a great game, actually. Renown Hearts never really felt like a chore, like WoW’s quests sometimes do. Public quests/timed events are a blast. Having only 10 abilities readied at any time makes for a more manageable experience, and a respec is often a weapon switch away. Combat is more action-oriented than WoW’s RTS-legacy commands, with dodging and stamina to manage. And having quest rewards delivered to your mailbox, and crafting materials banked with a click, might not be immersive but sure as fuck is convenient.

        The starting experience is highly streamlined. There is of course a learning curve, but don’t sweat it. It’s definitely a casual-friendly game. Go with Warrior, it’s probably the easiest class.

        Where GW2 falls short, for me, is the uninteresting story, the boring NPCs I can never bring myself to care about, the limited repertoire of opponents and the drab, faded art. WoW’s art is cartoonish but colorful and vibrant; the writing is hammy but gloriously so, like Star Trek or a four-color comic. GW2’s reminds me of the oWoD fic and not in a good way.

        Nevertheless, I wish I could give GW2 more of a chance — my main is a Charr Warrior stuck at 47 — but Mrs. The Butcher never really got into it. We spent my WoW burnout sabbatical with Borderlands 2 and The Pre-Sequel, and have just returned to WoW where we’re having a blast with Warlords of Draenor. I’m loving this expansion.

    • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
      September 4, 2015 8:58 am

      Real cold and heartless with the layoffs, Paizo, and RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS TOO!!!! 😡

      I’m assuming it’s almost Christmas because the Christmas shit is out at CVS now.

      Oh, wait, that’s right!

    • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
      September 4, 2015 9:00 am

      Dancy is certainly a pro at leaving a sinking ship at just the right time…

  39. Timotheus permalink
    September 4, 2015 7:55 am

    Looks like Raggi tried to start his own brand of Satanic Panic with a mass email to his customer drones. It has ignited a hilarious clash of the ideological dumbfucks over at…where else?

    http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=33091

    • September 4, 2015 8:31 am

      Hahaha the best thing is that Tournament of Rapists is puerile and silly and everyone is afraid it has heralded in either a rape epidemic or a gygaxian brand of 1984.

      • September 4, 2015 8:42 am

        pages 16-18 are kind of dissapointing since they consist of a discussion of serious topics in a well-argued and rational manner which is Sadface.

      • bad wolf permalink
        September 4, 2015 10:08 am

        Sidenote: Sorry Grimachu, the only comments i’ve seen anywhere that remember your Gamergate card game being the first thing banned on DTRPG are your own! Sad trombone.

  40. Timotheus permalink
    September 4, 2015 10:22 am

    Crom has been generous this week. Our old pal the Perilous Dreamer shows up on DF and starts another Uber Alles thread. He is in true form on page 1, but laws low until page 3 when he returns in full snotty glory. He and Sauna get locked into classic “uh-huh”-“nuh-uh” combat until the thread is shut down on page 4 by the site owner – who rather snidely sneaks in one more post to stick it to PD (while his buddy Sauna skates, as always. Sauna must have some serious shit on Steve).

    http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=71445

    • Sparklemotion permalink
      September 4, 2015 10:29 am

      THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE TRUE GAME OD&D! ALL OTHERS ARE INVALID! LONG LIVE THE OD&D MAY HIS REIGN NEVER CEASE! MOM GET ME SOME MORE MOUNTAIN DEW!

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      September 4, 2015 10:57 am

      A 24 hour timeout? With nothing better to do, PD’s going to be out cruising around in his white van with a sack full of candy.

      Thanks Obama Steve!

      Maybe Sauna has pictures of Steve enjoying himself while running a Dragonlance module.

      • Sparklemotion permalink
        September 4, 2015 11:02 am

        Dragonlance module? Now you’ve gone too far Big’uns

    • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
      September 6, 2015 1:43 pm

      I think Perilous Dreamer might be retarded, like for real reals.

    • September 7, 2015 12:33 am

      “Powergrog” does not sound like a word that should be squandered to describe bullheaded middle-aged nerds who can’t grasp the idea that separate issues intersect. It should be some sort of pirate-themed energy drink. That is all.

  41. FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
    September 6, 2015 1:41 pm

    Yeah, we probably should have dropped at least a dozen more nukes on Japan when we had the chance.

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      September 6, 2015 5:07 pm

      Looks like Raggs lost a lot of weight and started bleaching his hair.

    • Gay Nigger from Outer Space permalink
      September 10, 2015 1:07 am

      You know, Japan wasn’t like this BEFORE being occupied by ZOG.

  42. bad wolf permalink
    September 7, 2015 7:36 am

    Too late, Raggi realizes who his customer base is and how much help they’re going to be to him in a showdown.
    James Raggi 2 days ago

    >>so I wouldn’t feel obligated to keep responding to them

    OH FOR FUCKS SAKE THAT’S THE WHOLE REASON THESE FUCKING POSTS GO TO SHIT.

    “You suck!”

    “No YOU suck!”

    YOU ALL FUCKING SUCK.

    • September 7, 2015 7:53 am

      I love that $100,000 gross sales over six years means that DTRPG surrenders what, $5k a year in lost revenue by letting him go gibber the fuck off. Meanwhile John Tarnowski, better known as the RPG Pundit, goes full Patty Hearst on the situation because there were still a few bites of scenery unchewed:

      http://therpgpundit.blogspot.com/2015/09/steve-wieck-at-obs-wont-listen-so-this.html

      • Timotheus permalink
        September 7, 2015 9:20 am

        “He has made it clear that he has no interest in reasoning with anyone who supports freedom of speech”

        Ha! And the rich and famous pundit wonders why no one ever takes him seriously.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        September 7, 2015 9:47 am

        He wants to fight a tiny group of assholes by assembling an even tinier group of assholes- just great.

        If he can convince a bunch of fatbeards to flag White Wolf’s entire catalog, I can see a mass ban, and it won’t be angsty vampire books getting the hook.

        #looksliketarnowskisfuckingthesedinosaurs

      • September 7, 2015 4:33 pm

        In his defence, you can always use decoy accounts and your main reason for flagging would be to increase the signal to noise ratio in the flagging process, necessitating more time-spent to seperate ‘genuine complaints’ whatever the fuck that means, from burning trollery. If you are smart you ensure the ratio between obvious trolling and genuine seeming fake complaints varies from week to week. Your targets should be equally varied.

        The logical countermove is to check whether accounts have actually made purchases before allowing them to vote, which is in itself a good move. They’d probably forget to count the pay what you want and free shit, so that gives you some more time. They could also check when accounts were made, which would slow down troll-voting to a considerable extent.

        Either way, it would increase scrutiny and decrease the chance of shit getting insta-banned after some emotionally damaged retard cries foul without some due diligence to see if this rpg does indeed deny the holocaust(what if you had a time travel game where you could go back in time and change history, would that count as holocaust denial?).

        In the long run, most of that will be pointless, Drivethru made a decision and they would look extremely stupid and unprofessional if they reversed it now. The OSR does not have the financial clout to push anything back, even were it to be unified. Hopefully the ideological purgation process is merciful and mild.

    • September 7, 2015 8:26 am

      So basically, his first suggestion requires co-operation and is therefore unlikely because OSR and social skills do not gell alltogether well, his second solution is utterly impractial since it requires technical knowhow(which requires a job and excellence –>| OSR) and a profit margin for potential investors and while Rpgs as a whole might be quite profitable a tiny subsection(check the hottest products and count the OSR among the top #100) that amounts to some petty cash each month with luck and the wind in the right direction and his third suggestion is the exact same suggestion i made several days ago.

      Fuck i’m turning into smart Pundit. Need help.

      Currently smoking: Uruguayan Sunset + Filthy Pollack

      • Timotheus permalink
        September 7, 2015 9:15 am

        Unless you start pointing and laughing at murdered children, you are still several evolutionary rungs above Tarnowski. I am not worried about you, sweet prince.

    • September 7, 2015 8:40 am

      Hahaha holy shit i did not read that Raggi thread, this is wow just wow.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        September 7, 2015 9:36 am

        I like how Zak can derail the entire conversation just by showing up. The “S” really stands for solisipstic, he really thinks that everything is about him.

        I expect Raggi will fold on this issue- his sense of “honor” will be outweighed by his desire not to have to get a real job.

        The spice, as I am wont to say, must flow.

    • Timotheus permalink
      September 7, 2015 9:12 am

      God damn, Zak got schooled by Ed fucking Dove. To the point the Attack refused to post an email conversation in it s entirety, knowing it would expose his lying, and thereby conceding the conversation.

      Well done, Ed.

      • September 7, 2015 10:23 am

        Yeah his refusal to post that email conversation after Ed points out he cherry picked shit is kind of telling. I mean, if he was honest what would he have to lose? Also someone file this convo since Zak has a fondness for asking for any evidence of his wrongdoing and we should do the community a favour by filing them here. I mean, he will lie and deny there is any evidence in the first place but at least people can just throw this link in his face until he bursts an artery or something.

      • Lamentations of Gary Gygax's Ghost permalink
        September 7, 2015 2:00 pm

        Yeah, golf clap for Ed actually shutting Zpastic down.

    • Sykirobme permalink
      September 8, 2015 6:53 am

      I know what I’m gonna publish:

      Geoffrey McKinneySep 1, 2015+7
      8
      7

      I don’t like the new policy, at all. I can’t for the life of me understand how anybody could get bothered by something published on rpgnow. I wouldn’t even care if somebody published a book that was nothing but a hundred pages of personal insults: “Geoffrey McKinney is an idiot. Geoffrey McKinney is a moron. Geoffrey McKinney is a loser.” Etc. Heck, if such a product sold a lot, I’d consider publishing something like it!

      • Timotheus permalink
        September 8, 2015 7:25 am

        Heh. I wonder if he would be bothered by a book with a hundred pages of “Geoffrey McKinney is a pedophile” with illustrations by Poag.

  43. bad wolf permalink
    September 7, 2015 4:20 pm

    Okay, time to beta test this new OSR / OSRIC compatible class i’ve been working on. It’s based on tweaking one of the original AD&D 1ed subclasses. This isn’t the final but all i have to do is adjust the kerning, i think.

    After i get all the feedback i’ll register as a boutique publishing company at OBS, i’m thinking i need a classy name like “Jessica Price Productions” or “Paizo Compatibles”, and upload it for sale. Maybe PWYW to start.

    But before that i’msending out a call to artists. what i need most is a modified version of this classic:

    i’m thinking something like the knife is his penis, or his penis is in his hand, something like that. This needs to be done by late November or you will not be paid! Sorry to be such a hardass about this, but I need to get this book out in 2015 (for Kickstarter), so I have to get the books printed in December (again, taxes). That means I’m not waiting for art.

    • bad wolf permalink
      September 7, 2015 4:21 pm

      kinda ruins the joke but let’s try again.

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      September 7, 2015 5:07 pm

      Proposed class name: Assassassin

      Before writing this one up, I’d suggest some inspirational reading, such as Chuck Tingle’s upcoming “Smoked by My Own Pipe” and “My ‘EotPT’ Cut-and-Paste Retroclone Craves Uruguayan Ass” and its sequel “Taking the Bone from the Clone”.

      • Lamentations of Gary Gygax's Ghost permalink
        September 8, 2015 6:32 am

        Did anyone ever look at his Dark But Viscious Arrows Over Albion release? I’m sure it a massive release of filing the serial numbers off something better but has anyone given him a day’s worth of tobacco money to find out?

      • September 8, 2015 7:08 am

        My close and personal friend has been hesitant in sharing Dark but vicious Albion 😦 When he gets out of his depression ill review it and do a cross comparison.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        September 8, 2015 12:52 pm

        That’s not a propitious sign, it’s probably too lame to pirate. I haven’t seen much buzz about it on other sites, so my guess is that it’s as much of a snoozefest as AoI.

        Poor Pundejo, his products are as boring as his TL,DR blog posts.

    • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
      September 10, 2015 6:16 am

      It’s 9/11 again, so Never Forget: When (No) Dark(ies) Albion was in the so-called top 10 of RPGNow, it was only #86 on the main DrivethruRPG site where it had to compete against ALL RPGS including the hated Story Games, not just blOwSR copy paste regurgitate retroturds! NEVER FORGET!

  44. Rob Conley, Prufeshunal OSr Rthr permalink
    September 8, 2015 10:33 am

    In the view that it helps to be as informed as possible. I pulled this links out so people could reason what happen in the past.

    The most serious attempt at a OBS Competitor occurred circa 2006 when DriveThruRPG and RPGNow merged. Publishing rates went up with no change in service (at the time). Several publisher vigourously object and one, Joseph Browning of XRP Press, had the gumption and resource to pull together an alternative, YourGamesNow.

    • Rob Conley, Prufeshunal OSr Rthr permalink
      September 8, 2015 10:37 am

      On a more positive note than the Yourgamesnow story. Single company sites that sell more than just their own product seems to still be a going concern. The two examples I can think of our Paizo, and Warehouse23 by SJ Games.

  45. Sykirobme permalink
    September 8, 2015 11:24 am

    TheRPGShite turned into RPGnet so gradually I didn’t even notice…

    http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=33119

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      September 8, 2015 12:47 pm

      Funny how paranoid they get about trolling/SJW infiltration.

      • September 9, 2015 11:54 pm

        Well, nobody wants people who disagree with them hanging around the place. That’s not what the Internet is for.

        I’m informed that it’s not a bar either and that there’s nobody worth sleeping with on it. Inquiries as to what it IS are continuing.

  46. Timotheus permalink
    September 8, 2015 1:26 pm

    OK, OK, OK….

    This is pure blOwSR gold…

    So Ernie Gygax and Benmoist Poire ran that Manboobial tomb kickstarter, bilking people for $120,000. During the campaign, they promised people covers would be done by Jeff Easley.

    Only the two hosers did not ask Jeff Easley about it. And he has at least an 18 month backup.

    And they still haven’t told their backers (check out the kickstarter page for for all the reach arounds being given without a hint of dark clouds).

    I only found out about it here:

    https://www.blackgate.com/2015/09/08/art-of-the-genre-kickstarter-why-i-hate-stretch-goals-and-you-should-too

    And it is unclear if Ernie or Bennie have bothered to contact Easley yet, so they might not even know that thier project, if it provides the Easley covers as promised, will be at least a year late.

    Those poor, dumb backers.

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      September 8, 2015 1:51 pm

      Yeah, it’s the stretch goals which tend to kill these things, even if the creators aren’t simply flakes or scam artists, or both (hi, JMal!). That bit about them promising Easley without even contacting the man is precious. Maybe the backers won’t recognize that the cover is actually done by Poag.

    • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
      September 9, 2015 7:22 am

      Josh Whedon will be writingmy recently funded RPG Kickstarter project, Josh Whedon’s DUNGEONLAND.

      BTW, do any of you guys know Josh Whedon or how to contact him? Asking for a friend.

      And has anyone seen Blooey? I may need a backup writer.

  47. FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
    September 9, 2015 7:36 am

    Well, the only good thing about all this nonsense is that a lot of right wing gamers have been forced into a position where they have to vehemently defend rape, anti-Christian sentiment and pornography.

    • Oakes Spaldbot permalink
      September 9, 2015 8:30 am

      I am of course referring to the two just released Motu Proprio “reforming” the annulment process. The effect will be to concede that the marriage of two people can (contrary to the words of Jesus) be, for reasons other than the death of one of the spouses, be broken asunder.

      Making it, as a practical matter, much easier for Catholics to have their marriages declared invalid won’t merely legitimize “Catholic divorce” but will remove the Catholic Church as the unofficial leader of the marriage protection business and will weaken the institution yet again (as if we needed even more of that now) for everyone.

    • Alex Macris, pearl-clutching fascist permalink
      September 9, 2015 8:50 am

      Your position makes sense to me. If it is fair for a subset of consumers to use their economic power to convince OBS to censor works, it is equally fair for creators to use their economic power to convince OBS not to censor works. In military parlance, this is called “reprisal” and it has a long and effective history.

      I suspect OBS will rue the day that they have decided their personal opinion should be the deciding factor rather than maintaining the openness of their platform. Before they could claim neutrality. Now they are literally putting a stamp of approval on every work they don’t censor. This will simply invite more culture warfare, not less.

      Also, please visit my titty-click site Everyjoe.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        September 9, 2015 10:14 am

        “Come for the sideboob, stay for the comedic stylings of Tarnowski!”

  48. Jimminy permalink
    September 9, 2015 2:45 pm

    How can anyone argue with the awards that Zak has received. Those awards mock some people at this site for their short sighted disrespect for the ambassador.

  49. Captain Kirks Dick Blood permalink
    September 9, 2015 4:09 pm

    Welcome back, Kunt. Get tired of staring out the window at the other poor people in the housing authority flats? Too bad you don’t haff any fwiends…

    • Jimminy permalink
      September 9, 2015 4:35 pm

      You are the cunt mate if anyone is. Have you even read Read & Pleasant land or are you too poor to buy a copy?

      I have some friends. If you give me your email address I will have them contact you.

      • Captain Kirks Dick Blood permalink
        September 10, 2015 2:48 pm

        I make great money, dipshit. But I won’t put a penny into the coffers of creeps like Zak and Raggi the Last. Point me out to a free copy and I will totally look at them, but really I’m not that curious, just like I’m not about 99% of the OSR’s sticky dumps that are available.

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      September 9, 2015 6:34 pm

      This place smells like VOMIT. The vomit of STUPIDITY. Im out-a-here for goodsome you SILLY DUMMIES.

      Just over two weeks from flounce to bounce…

      There is a thing called pride,
      To Kent, it is denied.

      • Timotheus permalink
        September 10, 2015 6:09 am

        Heh. kent has returned…again. The worm ourobourous triumphant. E pluribus Brandoch Dur Hur!

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        September 10, 2015 7:32 am

        He’s a reverse Ouroboros, a snake with its head wedged up its own poophole.

    • Jimminy permalink
      September 10, 2015 7:42 am

      Weird.

      • Captain Kirks Dick Blood permalink
        September 10, 2015 2:49 pm

        Yeah, just picture it like the Death Eater sky skull and snake thingy, except the snake is going back and forth in and out of a skeletal pelvis.

  50. Timotheus permalink
    September 10, 2015 7:54 am

    Hey guys! Got the Thursday doldrums? Well, let the Perilous Dreamer take that frown, and turn it upsdie down!

    Scroll down past the halfway point of this page, when he makes his trimphant return to DF after his scolding:

    http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=71456&start=90

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      September 10, 2015 12:18 pm

      FreddyP had better watch out, or The Perilous Dreamer might lure him into his van with a McRib.

      It’s a trap!!!

  51. trechriron permalink
    September 10, 2015 8:22 pm

    I have yet to have a reasonable academic conversation with anyone opposed to ToR on this argument. It has simply come down to “if you think a game about rape is OK, there’s something wrong with you.”. Emotional responses. Is there anyone here that would like to take up the gauntlet I just threw down? Please explain to me WHY a game ABOUT rape is bad in the first place?

    • Arneson's Spectre permalink
      September 10, 2015 10:14 pm

      That’s because no “reasonable academic” would ever have that conversation, let alone with you. Do not confuse your social retardation with its symptomatic lack of empathy with scholarly pursuit.

      • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
        September 11, 2015 5:24 pm

        Well, Dr. Spectre, you clearly have the cold, clinical detachment down to a tee, I’ll give you that. I’m not so sure about your bedside manner though. Why do I feel you would gleefully tell me I have terminal cancer while laughing uncontrollably?

    • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
      September 10, 2015 10:18 pm

      Kent is under the delusion that he’s an academic. Maybe he’ll talk to you? And by “to” I mean “at”.

    • September 10, 2015 11:36 pm

      What sort of “bad” would you like to talk about? Moral, technical, psychological? If we’re to be reasonable academics let’s start by establishing prerequisites.

    • Timotheus permalink
      September 11, 2015 11:31 am

      Hey trechiron, don’t be half-assed. Lets see your academic conversation about WHY a game ABOUT pedophilia is bad. Wow us with your intellectual insight.

      • September 14, 2015 9:27 am

        Still waiting for that deep, sustained, critical insight…

    • September 11, 2015 1:33 pm

      Because it undermines legitimate rape?

      • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
        September 11, 2015 5:24 pm

        Rape babies are a gift from God!

  52. FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
    September 10, 2015 10:21 pm

    Happy 9/11 Day everyone!

  53. Arneson's Manboob permalink
    September 11, 2015 7:20 am

    http://therpgpundit.blogspot.com/2015/09/why-you-should-definitely-still-be.html?m=1

    Pundick actually gave me an idea. Someone, or a group of someone’s, should head over and start flagging every single RPG they can get their hands on, starting with the ones that he lists. List ridiculous reasons for why you are offended by any given product – Dungeons and Dragons? As a member of Her Majesty’s Royal Spelunking Society, I am offended by the gross misrepresentation of underground dwellings in this product. Werewolf the Apocalypse? Furries, bitches.

    Etc etc etc ad infinitum…

    • Arneson's Spectre permalink
      September 11, 2015 9:28 am

      So their weak argument against is that if products are open to reporting, they just assume everyone will report everything, so to prove their point, they are going to report everything?

      What a bunch of fucking retards.

    • Sykirobme permalink
      September 11, 2015 10:18 am

      Too many monogender monsters!

    • Bad Wolf permalink
      September 11, 2015 11:03 am

      Dibs on Bruce Heard and Timmy Brannon! (I may need help there if they require multiple flags, though.)

    • September 12, 2015 2:37 am

      every time i read the claim that “the outrage brigade” wants to ban zak’s stuff i have to think of something varg’s mom used to say back in the day.

      “if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself.”

      seems to be zak’s and the plagiarist’s life motto as well.

    • PrinceofNothing permalink
      September 13, 2015 1:00 pm

      Out of curiosity, what do you mean when you put the outrage brigade between parenthesis? This while taking into consideration that there can be no question Tarnowski and Zak hugely inflate the presence and malignance of their internet nemeses.

      • September 14, 2015 1:35 am

        cause there’s no such thing? at least not in the way the term is usually used, neither to describe the intentions of the group, nor the effect of their actions. (i hope this sentence makes sense, forgive my crude english.) whenever i read something critical of the so called outrage brigade, it’s usually just a bunch of fallacies, with strawmen and slippery slopes dominating.

        the biggest issue is censorship. the outrage brigade is supposedly pro censorship and their actions are a form of censorship. this is obviously bullshit. you can buy tor, you can buy desborough’s gamergate game. while those games might not be available from the dtrpg, a private retailer removing a product isn’t censorship. noone is entitled to the services of dtrpg.

        the “outrage brigade” has no power to censor anyone. all they have is the same power as any other group of consumers – to vote with their wallets. they can organise and call for a boycott. you might not agree with their reasoning and dislike the individual behaviour of some of the group, but voting with your wallet is a valid course of action.

        steve wieck made an important point in his blogposts following the removal of tor when he mentioned the fact that content can indeed be offensive. at which point a product crosses the line is tricky to define and has to be done on an individual basis and in context. where we draw that line is determined by constant discourse involving the whole community. this discourse needs both poles, the ones preferring a laissez-faire attitude and the ones preferring rules, limits, content warnings, and so forth. boundaries have to be questioned, transgressions can be useful and progressive, it’s all a matter of context. the lines have been moved quite far on some issues over the last decades. on others, not so much. one such issue is sexual violence. the line “i fuck babies” from the 1987 novel “babyfucker” is still disgusting today, while noone cares about rap, rock or satanic panic anymore.

        there’s one thing you can accuse the outrage brigade of. they can be quite annoying. i know they annoy me sometimes.

        they annoy me because they make me take a critical look at my conceptions. they shake me out of my apathy, make me rethink my views on certain issues, evaluate the way i act towards some groups of people. because they make me realise that i’m an ignorant fuck at times. they might even make me feel shame.

        terribly annoying.

        i know that a lot of what i read from some “outrage brigade” members has made me change the way i think, talk and act, made me more considerate of people, less likely to be hurtful. i am glad and thankful for that.

        i’m also glad that there are people that do not want to accept a game that features rape as a form of entertainment, or a game that treats a hate group and it’s victim’s like two sides of the same coin. people that speak out when a game supplement features explicit descriptions of sexual violance towards children. not everyone is jaded enough to accept these things with a shrug and a few jokes.

        there is no censorship. all there is is a group of people reminding others of the fact that maybe some lines shouldn’t be crossed and if you do cross them, you should be mindful of how and why. adding a monster that has the “triggering” trait and a bonus against former rape victims seems like a strong indicator that the creator of tor should have stayed well away from the topic to me.

        if you consider the “outrage brigade” a real problem in gaming and a danger to the freedom of artistic expression you need a serious reality check. they are easy enough to ignore and the only way they will hurt anyone is by making it slightly harder to buy stuff like tor. all the 14 year olds that wants to buy raggi’s stuff and leave it lying around for their mom to find and freak out about when she cleans their room are safe. no need to worry.

      • September 14, 2015 5:13 am

        The “elfgame artists gotta have absolute guaranteed freedom, dad” angle is getting on my fucking nerves. What do geniuses like Raggi and Desborough rig together with the freedom they already have? What kind of things do they imagine doing with their freedom that might … get them in trouble? Shit demons and hate groups, apparently. If statting up shit is that crucial to your artistic identity, swallow the lost sales like a fucking artist with conviction. If it ain’t worth it, get a real job.

        P.S. Now hitting the five digits of relevance in the art world, probably thanks to Von’s “troubling” review of RPL. http://www.artfacts.net/en/artist/zak-smith-15810/profile.html

      • September 14, 2015 10:00 am

        @shlom

        So you assert that the term ‘outrage brigade’ does not fairly describe the actions and intentions of said minority but you do accept that there is in fact such a thing. Alright. I of course do not agree with you.

        Your argument about censorship has been answered online with the statement that given the fact drivethru is the 800 pound gorilla of online roleplaying retail and the alternatives have nowhere near the customer base, advantageous pricing or capacity of drivethru for all intents and purposes it is the only game in town, and moving to a different venue means taking a massive drop in sales. Not to mention the fact that drivethru intially allowed it, it was by the actions of a small vocal extremist minority that it was pulled. So while it is technically not censorship, for all intents and purposes it amounts to the same thing. Do you have a reply to this argument?

        You refer to organised boycotts as valid actions which can be true depending on your defenition of valid but it is not ‘voting with your wallet’ in the traditional noble sense, i.e simply not buying things you find objectionable. It is valid in the sense it is not illegal but it is incredibly disruptive and should be reserved for the direst circumstances only. Threatening to boycott over a product with adult content in the adult section that is provably harmless is rude, undemocratic and childish. The civil course of action would be a sort of petition, a polite request, a civil discussion with the community to raise awareness to maybe do something, not this brain-damaged mewling of the emotionally unstable and the perpetually offended.

        Steve Wieck made a post about discourse but that is because Steve Wieck is not the outrage brigade and therefore does not suffer from the neurological damage and cognitive abberation that inhibits his ability to have a civilised conversation like a human being.

        To come here, where all the myriad sins of the OSR are displayed for all to point and sneer and state that the actions of the outrage brigade are not disruptive, that these are kind and merciful people and their actions are not simply bullying driven by an inability to inhibit the emotional reponse is bold, but i think its a hard sell. Are we really expected to believe that the idiots that went after Monte Cook’s space succubus are somehow beneficial to the hobby. That these witchhunters and kangaroo courtsmen have some sort of moral lesson to impose upon us.

        As for the outrage brigade, they annoy me too. They make me realize how we have gone from the greatest civilisation on earth, with the power to obliterate cities, travel to space and build things only a few hundred molecules large to a civilisation of pussies. Somewhere we have lost our fangs and forgot that the ability to inhibit the emotions is the basis of civilisation. We allow mental deviants, delusional freaks, bi-polar half-savages and petty bullies to dictate what we should think without discourse, without reasoned debate, without understanding, without respect.

        If you arent jaded enough to read source material like that without getting a strong emotional response(leaving aside the fact you are either a sissy or in fact seriously traumatized in which case you should find professional counseling to help you deal with this very serious issue) then why would you expose yourself to source material that pretty much screams its intentions for all to see? Are others reponsible for your emotions?

        I think tournament of rapists is purile and stupid and probably made to be offensive. If it was serious, i would hate it, think everyone that plays it is a disgusting weirdo, and if a petition was passed around to politely request it be removed i would sign it. Yes, we as a community should be able to have a discussion about what is or is not okay, but no discussion ever takes place does it? Instead they moved straight on to threatening to boycott fucking drivethru for its debased position that people should be allowed to buy whatever the fuck they want.

        Your final statement does not fill me with hope. You claim the targets will only be super creepy shit like Tor, which implies some sort of method to the outrage, some balance, some leniency, even sanity. Where was this leniency when they targeted monte cook’s numenera or his Strange game? Why do certain game developers seem entirely exempt from this scrutiny? Why is this outrage not directed at games that feature warfare and genocide, surely the most heinous thing we as a species do? In truth we dont know what the targets will be, but likely anything that triggers some sort of emotional response in the perpetually outraged.

        I doubt we will come to any sort of agreement, but nevertheless i thank you for stating your position and opinions in a reasonably polite fashion.

        Best,
        Prince.

      • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
        September 14, 2015 4:40 pm

        Wow Zak’s “relevance” in the art world has really taken a nosedive since 2005 back when he was still mostly irrelevant! I see why he is desperate to hang on to those dozens of blOwSR dollars from unblown wallet things!

      • September 15, 2015 1:36 am

        you disagree. who would have though…?

        you are correct, my argument about censorship is indeed answered by an irrelevant statement about dtrpg’s near-monopoly. censorship does not mean “inability to use the best means of distribution available” in my book, but your definition may vary. some of the people involved (on the “outrage brigade” side) have taken their own products off of dtrpg in protest. are they censoring themselves? are those extremists starving themselves to death for the cause? there are alternatives, quite a few actually, they are not as profitable, that’s all. like i said in my original answer, noone is entitled to the services of dtrpg. i am surprised you support this line of reasoning.

        there is no censorship. that is a fact. the decision to pull a product is made by dtrpg, so even if you twist the definition of the term to suit your views, they would be responsible.

        i don’t know the number of people that have complained. maybe you do. i doubt that. you claim they are extremists. how did you determine that? is the fact that someone is offended by tor enough to be labelled extremist?

        ok, you seem to start frothing at the mouth there a little. but i’ll answer anyway.

        voting with your wallet is always a viable course of action, and not only in “dire circumstances”. whatever gave you that idea? you’ll have to leave it up to the people doing it to determine if it’s the right course of action to choose. for them. not for you. is it disruptive? i sure hope so, cause that’s the point. is it “incredibly” disruptive? i have to take your word for it, i don’t know the inside of dtrpg as well as you do. personally i doubt that it is.

        it’s not about “adult content”, either. did i mention strawmen in my original answer? i think i did. now you know why. plenty of adult content around that noone complains about. several people have stated that they do not wish tor to be pulled, but a better system of labelling. i agree with that position. is complaining rude or childish? some complains might be rude, you might call them childish, that’s for everyone to judge for themselves. it is also completely irrelevant. your last criticism is much more interesting. is the decision to pull a product democratic? of course not! it’s dtrpg’s decision and dtrpg’s decision alone and in no way, shape or form is it the decision of the “outrage brigade”. wrong tree, buddy.

        enjoying a little bit of tonepolicing there, i see. nice.

        what the people complaining did was a form of petitioning of course. you might not like the way they did it, but again, that is up to them and not you. all you get to do is to let your outrage over their extremist actions flow freely.

        “brain-damaged mewling of the emotionally unstable and the perpetually offended” really? from a psychologist? well, i have already written enough to make me want to finish this, but to demand civilised discussion and then in the same sentence insult others like this is just… sad.

        ahh, i see, full frothing mode commenced. neurological damage, sure, why not? points for the civilised fraction! strawman about the “space succubus”, check! “greatest civilisation on earth, lost fangs” – uhh, sure… whatever man… bi-polar half savages, that another good one!

        i am the one with a “strong emotional response” in this conversation? guess what, the greatest civilisation ever has made a scientific breakthrough. it’s called a mirror. you might want to try it sometime. i already covered the fact that not labeling potentially offensive material different form other adult material is the crux of the matter in my mind. a content or trigger warning would be beneficial in my view. i know you have strong emotions about that topic as well, no need for another post. i certainly won’t read it.

        “I think tournament of rapists is purile and stupid and probably made to be offensive. If it was serious, i would hate it, think everyone that plays it is a disgusting weirdo, and if a petition was passed around to politely request it be removed i would sign it. Yes, we as a community should be able to have a discussion about what is or is not okay, but no discussion ever takes place does it? Instead they moved straight on to threatening to boycott fucking drivethru for its debased position that people should be allowed to buy whatever the fuck they want.”

        you don’t get to tell people how to protest. i don’ t know what you mean by “if it was serious”, i think everyone that plays it is a disgusting weirdo as it is. that doesn’t mean i want to ban it. cause i don’t. we as a community are having that discussion. it’s just not a very nice discussion. it’s partially my fault too, considering i am totally under the sway of my strong emotions while you remained calm, polite and civilised, just the way you think such a discussion should work.

        wait a minute!

        and once again i have to mention that other people can boycott whatever they like and your views about that are irrelevant. what is it? the third time? fourth?

        ahhh, we finish with the slippery slope. of course we do.

        lets look at the facts. when people “went after monte cook”, what really happened was this:

        space succubus – there was one long discussion on rpgnet. definitely not the end of the world. as usual, there were smart people and there were idiots. discussion was sparked by a blogpost. here’s what the writer of that blogpost had to say in the thread in question:

        “I am a game creator, I often speak to other game creators (or those who want to be game creators) as a way of pointing out ‘this stuff is tired, and weak, and old, and we can do better than this.’ This was never ever me saying DON’T BUY THIS BOOK AND BURN MONTE TO THE GROUND! I do not believe that. One monster does not a misogynist book make. I wasn’t even particularly offended, so much as grossed out that this tired old trope was getting dragged out into a ‘new’ and ‘modern’ game in a ‘completely new’ setting. Meh. Game creators, setting writers, designers, all ya’ll, even GMs. If you use tropes, you are potentially supporting hidden isms because… gasp… tropes can often be traced back to some pretty nasty ideas! (Go look up the term Noble Savage and so on. See the hidden ugh in a apparently harmless trope. Realize these things have history.)

        And for the sake of discussion, it wasn’t even the succubus angle that grossed me out. (Though eh, that’s pretty tired too.)

        It’s the depiction of pregnant people in games and and settings and systems. Pregnant people are other Monsters (like this one, or, yanno, everything in Flame Princess) or damsels. More often the former than the latter which as a person who has been a pregnant person a number of times, I think is gross beyond words. I would love to see parents and pregnant people in games in roles other than monsters or damsels. I would love to see warrior moms and battle dads. And not just as set ups to the grimdarkness of murdered babies, but just as people getting by in their profession (as murder hobos or whatever) while still being parents.

        Some of this is due to the lack of understanding on how pregnancy actually works. A lot of fear. A lot of misunderstanding. Maybe most people don’t really … get… why this is an issue. Sokay. I’m not really saying these things to most people. I’m saying these things to creators who may actually WANT to do new things instead of tired old tropes.

        Because I want to be able to play this. Basically.”

        extremist, rude, probably insane. right? thank crom we have you to put these people in their place! what would become of the greatest civilisation ever if we allow such radical, degenerate views into the mainstream?

        the strange – people from am marginalised culture that was being used in the game spoke up. there was some heated twittering and blogging. for a week. then monte cook games hired someone to advise in such situations. i call that a great outcome. marginalised culture gets more control on hoiw they are portrayed, the strange probably becomes a better game because of it and definitely more inclusive. yeah, some people were rude. so?

        why are some developers excempt from being judged a certain way? no idea? you’ll have to ask the people doing the judging.

        no “outrage” about games featuring warfare? there is, thought it’S not what i would call outrage. you just don’t read the blogs by people advocating more games that feature less violence.

        genocide? i live in a country that has banned the game “kz-manager” and other stuff relating to the nazis. i am happy about that. real censorship and i am happy about it. guess that makes me the extremist.

        you are correct, we don’t know what products will cause the next wave of outrage. because, like wieck said, it’s a decision that has to be made on an individual basis every time. but we can always count on you, raggi, desborough and all of rpgsite to present a strong case.

        for freedom! for sanity!

      • September 15, 2015 6:30 am

        Yeah, the relevance thing may not be 100% accurate but the trend hasn’t been all that flattering. I think it’s a cross between his gallery fucking up and his lack of effort to market the art as opposed to teh elfgames. You snooze in pro art land, you lose. Last I checked he was the least relevant person from his Whitney year who was still even pretending to do this for a living.

        The contest he’s doing now gets me in the sads. Either he’s holding the “big guns” (porn joke here) back to reveal later or his crowd is having real trouble bringing even Huffington Post level musings to the table. Maybe we should do one. Or maybe I should just go see what Alexis is doing.

      • Timotheus permalink
        September 15, 2015 7:03 am

        Shlo, I agree with much of what you wrote, particularly the absurdity of this being censorship, and people not being automatically entitled to the most profitable platform for everything they shit out.

        One quibble on the Strange kerfluffle – most (if not all) of that was not instigated by the marginalized group (native Americans), but by others who felt it was their duty. The guys that are called the outrage brigade or sjws or whatever. Cook made it clear that when the complaints started, he then went and consulted with actual native Americans, and got mixed feedback from them – many did not see a problem, others did. That is when he decided to alter course and got a real Native American to write some content. All this was in a g+ post from his g+ account, if you want to double check. On that same g+ thread, you can see the guys who originally complained show up to say Cook was not going far enough, etc. None of them were Native Americans.

        Not that this totally blunts your point, but just wanted to be accurate. If you can link to any Native Americans who were complaining before Cook changed things, I would certainly like to see it and be corrected. Thanks.

      • Timotheus permalink
        September 15, 2015 7:07 am

        ” Or maybe I should just go see what Alexis is doing.”

        Damn, Schiz, I forgot all about Sexy Lexy. His star has waned like the Subway dude’s.

        Interesting about Zak’s freefall in the art world, too. Maybe Kim Kane can give his old job as a fluffer back to him.

      • September 15, 2015 9:19 am

        [Disagreement]

        Sarcasm is no substitute for wit. Maintaining a snarky passive agressive tone does nothing to support your position, be it logically or rhetorically. Go on a full offensive or maintain a detatched position. Take this suggestion in whatever fashion you wish.

        [Online argument]

        Strawman. I presented the online argument with the addendum that while it was not technically censorship, it amounted to the same thing. You replied by stating it was not technically censorship, but refused to even consider that for many publishers it amounts to the same thing. Its nice some of the people removed their products from dtrpg, they are willing to put their money where their mouth is, but its irrelevant to the case in question.
        I will restate the argument for clarification. The case being made is that, given the position of dtrpg and the fact a minority group(by which i mean a sub-set of the total rpg-community) decided to lobby for its removal through heavy handed means and boycotting and dtrpg was an open platform before, this act, while not technically censorship, amounts to the same thing consequence wise for those small publishers that put out material that can be viewed as questionable under these new very vague and not yet established guidelines.

        A comparable measure would be to put a huge markup on the price of objectionable content. You could still claim it is not censorship, because it is freely available, people just need to pay more. People say it is censorship, it does not meet the exact definition, but to small time publishers the consequences are still severe. Do you understand this point, why people could find this policy objectionable, and why they would choose to describe it as censorship, despite the fact it is technically not censorship?

        Whether i believe the argument or not is irrelevant, i was curious as to your reply to it, you may attempt again if you wish.

        [Extremist]

        You are performing pretty poorly so far. I recommend a 5 minute break and a thorough rereading before replying in the future. Your assertion is silly. Are you claiming i need to know exactly how many people protested exactly in order to determine they are in fact the minority of all rpgdomhood? Are you contesting my claim they represent a minority viewpoint?

        I label them as extremists because their behavior happens to fit the behavioural pattern of extremists. To disagree with something, to find something offensive, is normal. To articulate this displeasure is perfectly understandable. It is when the mere existence of this thing, a roleplaying game, on a website, hidden behind an adult filter becomes so disconcerting, so disruptive to one’s existence that it needs to be erased for you to feel “safe”, when it is perfectly possible to not click on it, not read it, not associate with anyone who advocates it etc, that you become an extremist.

        [frothing]

        If you feel the need to fantasize about me as we have this limited and decidedly one-sided exchange of arms you may imagine me as the golden face of Apollo, mouth downturned in a stern, disapproving glare, berating you in a calm but menacing fashion. As an additional tip, you may find that attempting to reinterpret the above statement as a testament to my own rhetorical shortcomings is a frivolous waste of time.

        [Voting with your wallet]

        You mention strawmen often, but you do not seem to have the capability to recognize them. I refer you to the cover of Loftp Tales of the Scarecrow for a typical specimen. One would think the definition of voting with your wallet is not to purchase things you find objectionable or shit. Are you suggesting that threatening to boycott a distributor that offers an open platform so that people may indeed, vote with their wallets whenever they please, is within the spirit of voting with their wallets. Why is it that your interpretation of voting with your wallet prevents people from doing just that?

        [adult content]

        I must stress that it is vital you read my reply before you ineptly cobble together your own. You spew your rhetoric in typical slack-wristed girlish fashion but you neglect to mention why Adult content is not a suitable way of providing a filter for possible objectionable content. If one looks into the adult content section one can reasonably be expected to encounter material with adult themes. At least we can agree that additional filters might be an affable solution, it is a pity the objectionable content label is already in the making and now that a precedent has been set, other works suffer from increased risk of being banned, not labelled. If you agree a better labelling system would be a solution why would you agree with a position that says banning works that violate some unwritten code of what is appropriate is a justified and righteous course of action.

        To answer your hideously distorted strawman point, complaining is not rude or childish, demanding something be removed from an open distribution platform because you cannot suffer its mere existence is rude and childish.

        As for the democratic point, you fail to understand. It is DTRPG’s decision yes. What people are objecting too is a tiny little group of social misfits have taken it upon themselves to impose their vision of what is appropriate and not appropriate not through the medium of argumentation and discussion but by threatening to financially harm a largely innocent distributor. For a man(I use the term loosely and only in the most general of terms) who cannot recognize strawmen you certainly seem adept at constructing them.

        [petitioning]

        Yes dipshit. Yes it is up to them. Yes it is entirely legal and should not be legally barred. What you fail to see is that it is disruptive, childish and uncivil. It is the rejection of the ‘live-and-let-live’ ideal that has allowed us to stop murdering eachother over ideological differences(I speak in only general terms, we are still doing this, but not so much as before).

        [rhetoric]

        I wrote colourful invective, suitably hyperbolic in nature, that offended you? On a troll blog?

        [mirror]

        Of course you won’t read another post. That would facilitate some form of thought or at least the examination and tempering of your own viewpoints, and as your commentary so far has demonstrated you do not seem very adept at that.

        It is funny that you mention a mirror. Do you ever stare at your emanciated-ghoul form, run your bone talons across the blackened fangs protruding from your lamprey-like face-mouth, and consider, for but a moment, that people might be sick to death of this fucking culture war bullshit. This constant, petulant examination of what is and is not appropriate, what is or is not sexist, what does or does not conform to goodthink. Even that would be acceptable, it is the methodology that is used to impose these goals that is in error.

        If the goal, which is to marginalize a shitty rape rpg, would actually be achieved, I could at least admire the skill, the subtle technique. Instead tournament of rapists has gained more coverage, more exposure, more publicity and likely more sales now then if everyone had just let it languish in the far corners of the internet.

        [protest]

        Again, yes, yes you can do what you want. Social norms and civility are not enforced. Live-and-let live is not a law. Tolerance is a virtue. Aren’t you all full of fuck-you-mom-and-dad with your attitude.

        [monte cook]

        That blog post, while still very sensitive and touchy feely, is certainly calm and reasonable. Anyone who reads the rpg.net discussion will find that not everyone was that reasonable and calm. Do you habitually distort an argument in order to gain a tactical advantage or are you simply unable to tell the truth?

        As for there being no lasting harm, with the advent of the offensive content button we have just increased the probability of there being side effects and lasting harm havent we?

        I reiterate. There is nothing wrong with having personal preferences when it comes to gaming or what you do and do not like. Stop conflating having opinions with forcing others to conform to your opinions.

        [Strange]

        Already adressed by timotheus.

        [Nazis]

        Goodwin’s law! There is a difference between a game that features graphic depictions of violence and a game that directly and openly advocates nazi-ism, since the advocation of Nazism has led to the rise of…well, Nazism. I live in Europe too, no one here would argue you should be able to heil hitler as much as you want, there is some history there. But we have tv-series like Der Untergang or Unsere Fater unsere Motter that show the war from a german point of view, which features Nazis without glorifying them.

        [Freedom, Sanity]

        Yeah heil hitler to you too buddy.

      • Sebastian Rankprepuce permalink
        September 15, 2015 10:47 am

        The heart of the issue is more simple than you two are making out. The principle at stake is well understood: groups cannot tell individuals what they can and can’t read. Groups that think they have this right are always composed of religious maniacs of one stripe or another, in this case crybaby morally vain arts students, let’s throw in some fags and browns.

        Anyone claiming the Easily-Offended Brigade only desire the offending material be removed from drivethru needs to explain why the Easily-Offended Brigade are OK with the material being available everywhere else except drivethru. The answer of course is that the Easily-Offended Brigade desire the offending material be removed everywhere but drivethru is an easy target for tantrum-bullies to intimidate financially.

      • September 16, 2015 2:06 am

        Keep on the shlomius lands random encounter table roll d8.

        1. 2d12 strawmen
        2. 1d6 red herrings
        3. 1d100 nits
        4. Ad hominem(lesser girlish variant)
        5. Feeblemind spell
        6. Emotion: Hopelessness
        7. animated semen-stained loveletter to Pol Pot(3 HD)
        8. Kent

  54. Timotheus permalink
    September 11, 2015 11:26 am

    So Chlorine Cock Ball’s Let Me tell You about My Character thread is up to 89 mind numbing pages now. In between all the Phil Is Jesus stuff, poor little Chlorine is still crying that People Somewhere On The Internet Tell Me I’m A Dinosaur. And he makes the mind-numbing accusation that TARGA – which folded back in 2010 or something – was involved in ConsultantGate, which was 2014.

    EOTB calls him out on it, and rather than admit his mistake, he doubles down. And Bren the Human Sopository mocks EOTB rather than his Hero/Liar Chlorine.

    EOTB can be an idiot, but he usually keeps his teeth in the flesh of fools. So Finally on page 89 this snoozefest of a reach around thread gets entertaining. Hopefully more to come. (Some of the accusations start on page 88, though they are quoted here on 89 – and reading further back will cause you 4d10 SAN Loss.)

    http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=32577&page=89

    • chgowiz permalink
      September 11, 2015 12:30 pm

      Jesus Fucking Christ on a cracker, can’t we leave TARGA fucking alone? It was just what… a year ago and I had to set the story straight with Tenkar? TARGA was never going to be the “OSR police”, we could barely agree on a goddamn mission. Much less be involved with anything else.

      Only reason I saw this was because I had an old TARGA filter set up and Google pinged me. At least I could copy/paste something for a reason… same explanation from Tenkar’s blog goes to Chirine’s thread.

      Hopefully folks can stop beating that damn dead horse’s ashes…

      • Timotheus permalink
        September 11, 2015 12:42 pm

        Reading those old posts from Tenkar, I had forgotten you talked shit about us. Damn, dude, we used to kiss your ass here as the only blOwSR blogger worth a damn! Where is the love? 😦

        Anyway, Chlorine claims to have perfect memory recall, so not sure why he is lying about TARGA in the 2014 consultant bullshit, except that he was insulted a couple times in private by somebody somewhere – so he claims. He is probably a Wound Collector, like the RPGPlagiarist.

        By the way, does the Darth Vader mask still fit?

        Take it easy, dude.

      • chgowiz permalink
        September 11, 2015 12:51 pm

        Ha! It’s called “tough love” for a reason and those were invites! Take the shot! I mean, diagnosed Aspergers and “butts in chairs” references. C’mon… shoot the damn fish in the barrel.

        I’ve spoken with Jeff/Chirine a few times and we’ve gotten along just fine. It was fun playing in his GaryCon EPT game. I guess I stay away from the forum drama and shit like that now, so I wasn’t aware of all that going on. Sad though… too much time spent on drama, not enough time spent on productive things.

      • Sykirobme permalink
        September 11, 2015 1:08 pm

        Tenkar? THE Tenkar of Tenkar’s Tavern?!

    • Timotheus permalink
      September 14, 2015 6:47 am

      And Chlorine Ball Cock still won’t tell the truth. He had it pointed out to him that that TARGA folded years before consultantgate, had the principles in TARGA spelled out for him so he could see these were different people, and not only does he refuse to retract his statement, he doubles down on it – after telling everyone that his memory is still fantastic. Lying piece of shit, desparate for attention, so he can sell his 300,000 word Let Me Tell YOU Over and Over Again About My Character. The part where he admits he blows off forums where he is not receiving head is priceless.

      Poor Phil.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        September 14, 2015 10:45 am

        Phuck Phil, when you read between the lines, the picture emerges of a petty tyrant. The whole bit about Phil “hating to lose” when he should have been a neutral referee rubs me the wrong way. A DM/GM should be pleased when the players throw curveballs, not look for ways to punish them.

        His players sound like they’ve had Stockholm syndrome.

      • Dildatory Interlude permalink
        September 14, 2015 4:35 pm

        From what I’ve heard from some heavy Tekumel-fans, Phil was a big fan of having his players’ characters get raped, so…yeah, sounds like a great time right?

  55. Timotheus permalink
    September 14, 2015 2:33 pm

    Yet another cocksucker writes an article on the blOwSR, and we are not even mentioned. This is an outrage!

    http://www.enworld.org/forum/content.php?2891-Is-the-OSR-Dead#.Vfc5QivLJKL

    But Rob Syntax Conley tells everyone they are missing the point in the comments, and no one knows what language he is speaking, and that is kinda cool.

    • Lamentations of Gary Gygax's Ghost permalink
      September 14, 2015 3:22 pm

      Meh, I’m more curious if the Mallus dude is Zakbot 4.0 or if some guy is really sucking that syphillic dick that hard in his promoting of Zpastic’s decidedly mediocre charts. I guess some people love Porkheim but I figure even fucking Kent has more imaginative ideas while sitting on the toilet and rereading the DMG. Im still fucking ashamed I believed any hype at all and gave Raggy the Last a single sheckle for his shit product. If I had paid real fucking money for Death, Love, Divorce I’d have to kill myself.
      Hopefully Raggy the Last will get that RaHoWa game polished up for rerelease soon.

  56. Sebastian Rankprepuce permalink
    September 14, 2015 4:00 pm

    Two smart dudes yakking

    http://falsemachine.blogspot.com/2015/09/scrap-and-patrick-podcast.html

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      September 14, 2015 4:07 pm

      This place smells like VOMIT. The vomit of STUPIDITY. Im out-a-here for goodsome you SILLY DUMMIES.

      Heh, indeed.

      • Sebastian Rankprepuce permalink
        September 14, 2015 4:29 pm

        Homophobe and anti-elitist rpg gamer.

  57. Sebastian Rankprepuce permalink
    September 14, 2015 4:38 pm

    Dungeons and dragons gamers and their BABES (eg Zak and his BABE)

  58. Sebastian Rankprepuce permalink
    September 14, 2015 5:12 pm

    I love the look of little gay boys buttocks.

    Sometimes I want something more subtle. Let us call it a verbal enticement – the homosexual arousement that comes from words – a gay forum with a flouncy atmosphere and the scent of assholes.

    Nowhere is more attractive to homosexual wordsmiths than Your Dungeon Is Suck – the gayest haven on the web.

    Hiya guys !! Ya bunch of fags !! Hows yar butts !!

    Scott is my favourite tattooed homo-gent. Hello Scott-Butt !!

    • Timotheus permalink
      September 14, 2015 5:45 pm

      “Nowhere is more attractive to homosexual wordsmiths than Your Dungeon Is Suck”

      You certainly do your part to make this into an objective fact, kent.

      “– the gayest haven on the web.”

      This is hurtful and inaccurate. Maybe even on purpose.

      Not that there is anything wrong with being the gayest haven on the web.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        September 14, 2015 7:43 pm

        He’s more unhinged than usual, Tim- that Middenmurk guy, another of his former crushes, has been deleting his comments without reply. Poor dumbfuck has no friends, so he returns here to sulk. Things could have been different, he could have been palling around with Zak all this time, but his cur nature got in the way. It’s a pity, he could have been Queen of the OSR.

  59. Trechrion permalink
    September 14, 2015 7:31 pm

    Bullshit. My passions are for Free Speech. Period. I find your superior and dismissive tone to be insulting. Worse, you seem like a moron if you can’t parse THE REASON from anyone’s posts thus far. There are clearly two sides in this debate and they have fuck all to do with the bullshit categories you just invented.

    You should ask your nurse to modify your diet and routine so you are more aware during your one-hour recreation break.

  60. everyoneiskent permalink
    September 15, 2015 9:03 am

    source:
    http://www.therpgsite.com/showpost.php?p=855836&postcount=370

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      September 15, 2015 10:39 am

      Kent is the “Spartacus” of the none-too-bright social retard brigade.

  61. Captain Kirks Dick Blood permalink
    September 15, 2015 11:36 am

    Oh Blooey, where art thou?

    • Lamentations of Gary Gygax's Ghost permalink
      September 15, 2015 11:47 am

      He’s locked in my basement playing Freedom in the Galaxy. The game only takes 20 hours to play but he’s still fucking dithering over whether or not to run a Gain Character mission or not. At this rate it’s going to take 20 years to play out.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        September 15, 2015 12:28 pm

        While you’re at it, can you get him to finish “The Road to Janceton”? I want to know what happened after da orcs fell down.

  62. Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
    September 15, 2015 6:44 pm

    On the Blooey beat… Blooey moved to Missouri. Mormons believe that when Jesus returns he will go to Missouri. Many Mormons are currently preparing for Doomsday. Therefore, Blooey is Jesus, and has arrived in Missouri in accordance with the prophecy.

    Eat pee crap clean rinse apotheosize

  63. PrinceofNothingBot permalink
    September 16, 2015 5:55 am

    Final Verdict: 4.5 out of 10 nubile 12-year old jale girl, her soft tighs curving invitingly inward towards her moist cleft. I am shaking, my body shivering with the delicious extacy of climactic release even as her struggles grow increasingly desperate. We are locked in a frenzied dance of life and death and in a way, it is beautiful. Her soft fists bounce off my well-sculpted purple chest muscles in synchronicity with my own frentic heartbeat. Sweat, blood and other bodily fluids coat me like a second skin but i have never felt cleaner. The muscles in my hands sing out in sweet agony in harmony with her panicked cries as i feel the sweet jelly of her eyes give way beneath my strong thumbs. THIS IS CARCOSA i shriek, my thumbs penetrating the red ruin of her eye-sockets into the warm, inviting moistness of her brainmeat. THIS. IS. CARCOSA. I grab my 100-year old flint kni(2 out of 10 for muggles).

    • Sparklemotion permalink
      September 16, 2015 9:36 am

      Stay off the Mescaline laced Absinthe, you’ll wreck your kidneys that way.

    • September 16, 2015 1:42 pm

      In retrospect i should have just sticked to my habitual breakfast of wodka and a carton of luckies.

      • September 16, 2015 7:45 pm

        Chuck Tingle Likes this.

  64. SAVE VS. RAPE permalink
    September 16, 2015 1:37 pm

    Lemme roll some dice here…

    You’re gonna get RAPED!

  65. September 16, 2015 10:00 pm

    Where’s the How to Game Master like a Fucking Boss review, guys? Show me the love (hate)!

    • September 17, 2015 7:10 am

      Chuck Tingle Likes Pounded in the Butt By How to Gay Master like a Fucking Boss in the Butt.

    • Lamentations of Gary Gygax's Ghost permalink
      September 17, 2015 8:03 am

      Binger Panicked needs a pack of smokes. Won’t you do a dork a favor and buy his book so he can hit the 7-11 for a pack American Spirits already?

      • September 17, 2015 8:44 am

        Was that the one where I whipped out the d20 and you guys were all, PSYCH? If so, fuck, I guess I owe a soaked biscuit. Which ones you smoke anyway, Venger, Am Spirits blue or yellow? Too bad they don’t come in squamous or mauve.

    • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
      September 17, 2015 2:11 pm

      Quote of the Year: “When Venger Satanis says you’ve gone too far, you’ve probably gone too far.” I forget who said it, but I’m pretty sure it wasn’t Dan Harms, the guy whose Cthulhu book V.S. plagiarized for his own. (We have very long memories around here, sorry.)

      • Timotheus permalink
        September 17, 2015 2:22 pm

        Hah, I remember that! Venger called him a fag and threatened to cast a death spell on him. Good times!

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        September 17, 2015 8:30 pm

        I just found this little tidbit:

        http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cthulhu-Cult-Venger-Satanis/dp/1430306319

        It’s a treasure trove of quotes:

        All this book is, a personal manifesto from a guy who likes horror movies, cartoons, soccer mom Satanism, H.P. Lovecraft, roll playing, poker, and pornography, but couldn’t find a website that had all of these together, so he wrote a painfully bad book filled with grammatical mistakes and stolen lines that incorporates all of his interests.

        Here’s my fave:

        Now that we have that ugly business out of the way, it’s fair to say Dishaw is the Uwe Boll of the occult world.

      • September 18, 2015 2:30 am

        @BACLF – Sweet, sweet vindication. I don’t even think Venger’s that bad an egg, but… well, that’s sort of the problem, isn’t it?

      • September 18, 2015 6:30 am

        That reviewer seems to think plagiarism is a bad thing. What’s up with that?

      • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
        September 18, 2015 11:27 pm

        I agree, Venger isn’t anything at all like Pundit or Zak S or any of the other douchebags we point and laugh at here. He’s always polite in his online presence certainly of late and often the voice of reason in the blOwSR scene, and genuinely seems to be able to laugh at himself.

      • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
        September 18, 2015 11:45 pm

        @perdustin Venger is really just another Australian haus frau, online bullied by the blOwSR “AN IP HAS BEEN STOLENS ON NOES!” crowd. We should welcome him with open tentacles.

      • October 9, 2015 9:53 am

        If directly quoting Lovecraft’s stories and Wikipedia (with attribution) is plagiarism, then yeah, I’m your Huckleberry (stolen from Val Kilmer)

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      September 18, 2015 6:14 pm

      I don’t need a book about how to game master like a fucking boss, I need a job about how to run my department at work like a game master.

  66. trechriron permalink
    September 18, 2015 1:40 pm

    Fuck you, you fascist arrogant holier-than-thou cunt.

    What’s obvious is your puritan self-righteous attitude. You toured rape camps? Prove it. What a bunch of fucking grandstanding bullshit.

    A rape survivor who plays RPGs is not going to go searching for Black Tokyo. Certainly not for Tournament of Rapists. And once they read the blurb on the back, would go search for something else anyways. Stop pretending you give a shit, or you have ever given a shit about rape survivors. You just want to prance happily around your make-believe world of fantasy justice while jerking yourself off to your own over-inflated opinion of your make-believe self. You’re fantasizing about saving rape survivors because you feel guilty about fantasizing about rape. We can’t save you by banning ToR.

    Banning products does not protect people, stop rape, or whatever other adolescent “white knight” fantasies you have about saving the world from your shit-stained office chair you’re currently stuck to in your $5 game store.

    Freedom of Speech and Liberty means that people can make and play what they want. If you don’t like, don’t buy it, read it or play it. We are not beholden to your puritanical rule. Take care of yourself. Let people decide for themselves what they want. You’re not the goddamned gatekeeper.

    Freedom has a price. It means that sometimes you get to be uncomfortable when someone who is not like you, does not think like you, or does not tow your particular lines gets to speak, publish and do things you might not agree with. Tough shit. If I have to live in a town where your dumb ass can not carry products because of your back-ass-wards opinions certainly you can live on an internet where OBS sells ToR.

    Is being a Moron a medical condition? You should check on your personal medical insurance plan. See if it doesn’t cover that and perhaps some counseling. Next your going to tell me you’re a rape counselor who retired from the UN to open a game store where you could save the world one comic book at a time… I won’t buy that fucking ridiculous story either.

    • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
      September 18, 2015 11:40 pm

      I am so sorry Kent raped you. I’ll be sure to add trigger warnings from now on.

      • Captain Kirks Dick Blood permalink
        September 19, 2015 6:48 pm

        You mean that isn’t Kent?

      • Frog Gode permalink
        September 22, 2015 1:42 am

        Isn’t everyone here Kent ?

      • September 22, 2015 2:14 am

        We had our fun and that’s all that matters.

      • September 22, 2015 11:56 pm

        I’m not. You can trace my every comment back to a consistent handle. That’s how you know.

      • Kent's Rectum permalink
        September 23, 2015 2:40 pm

        You do know Kent’s been jacking it sore to your picture Von, don’t you?

      • September 24, 2015 12:08 am

        He wouldn’t be the first.

  67. FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
    September 18, 2015 11:31 pm

    Now that WotC is shutting down the steaming pile of cess that is their online forums, I would like to be the first to welcome our newest members who will inevitably find themselves here at YDIS, the premiere online RPG community!

    May I be the first to say FAG! and take this opportunity to remind our new members that Kent is gay.

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      September 20, 2015 4:43 pm

      Kent’s rectum prolapsed for your sins.

  68. Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
    September 19, 2015 6:15 pm

    Shitstorm in 3… 2… 1…

    http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=40939&start=90#p1674495

    • Radovarl permalink
      September 28, 2015 6:59 am

      Meh. Another passel of semi-literate latent thew-slobbering gamertard nitwits trying to compare REH with one of his betters. And Leiber is certainly that, and there is no reasonable comparison to be made. I think Leiber stated Howard’s charm best:

      “The best pulp [fantasy] writer was Robert E. Howard … . He painted in about the broadest strokes imaginable. A mass of glimmering black for the menace, an ice-blue cascade for the hero, between them a swath of crimson for battle, passion, blood – and that was the picture, or story, rather, except where a vivid detail might chance to spring to life, or a swift thought-arabesque be added.”

      Talk about damning with faint praise. REH has his place, as does ERB and some of the other early pulp guys, but that place is mostly beefcake fap-fodder. While Leiber is no Cormac McCarthy, at his best he’s certainly head-and-shoulders above the likes of REH or the tragically adjectivitis-ridden CAS. He is as consummate a craftsman of HPL without the personal baggage and blindspots, as admirable a stylist as Vance without the repetitive, formulaic self-pastiche, and as experimentally brilliant at his best as PKD ever was, with more consistently coherent results to show for it.

      Has some of Leiber’s work aged badly? Hell yeah. Mostly his science fiction novels. The premise of Conjure Wife is ridiculously sexist (in that especially pathetic “Girlz are another species” way). The Wanderer now reads like an overhip romp through an aging white dude’s idea of youth culture in the seventies, etc.

      But The Knight and Knave of Swords is substandard? Naw. What, too much kinky sex that might appeal to individuals attracted to women? I suspect this is the problem for typical REH fan, and I know it is for the Shield Wall/Black Gate crowd like Jimmy Geekface. Just do a google search for Maliszewski’s discussion(s) of Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser. IIRC, he says he found the series occasionally too “lewd” for his taste. Not to mention there is “bastardy” involved in the Gray Mouser’s backstory. And we know how awful that is.

      /rant

    • September 28, 2015 7:07 am

      ~slow clap. That was beautiful.

  69. FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
    September 22, 2015 7:18 am

    BLOOEY BLOOEY WHERE FOR ART THOU BLOOEY????
    DENY THY WEIRDO SON AND REFUSE THY GAME!
    DA ORCS FALL DOWN! SIGH! 😦

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      September 23, 2015 5:03 pm

      Blooey’s number is out there, old chum… you know you want to call it.

  70. Fucktard's Everfull Ass permalink
    September 23, 2015 3:23 pm

    Dragonsfart needs a good enema to clean out Saunatutu, gengisdong etc

    • September 24, 2015 12:09 am

      Sauna amuses me with his committment to rattling the cages of his fellow inmates. He should stay.

    • Sykirobme permalink
      September 24, 2015 1:41 pm

      DF isn’t a bad place, really. There are some socially awkward people, but no one really batshit crazy/paranoid/self-aggrandizing or whatnot.

  71. Bigby's Rectum permalink
    September 25, 2015 3:34 pm

    This place is kind of dead, like only douchebags are still hangin’ here.

  72. dead permalink
    September 25, 2015 7:14 pm

    This place is dead.

    • September 26, 2015 5:24 am

      Don’t underestimate it, it has been known to rise from its ashes like the mighty phoenix every now and then.

    • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
      September 26, 2015 1:44 pm

      Hopefully Kent will come back soon and take a nice upper decker dump with back spray on the place.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        September 26, 2015 4:26 pm

        There once was a buttmunch named Kent,
        Whose anus was incontinent.
        He left a bowel-wrecker
        As an upper decker,
        And sat there inhaling its scent.

      • September 27, 2015 1:10 am

        “Hopefully Kent will come back soon”

        What have you BECOME, man?

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        September 27, 2015 5:57 am

        There once was a gamer named Von,
        Who asked FotU, “Yo, what you on?
        Concern about Blooey
        Is making you screwy.
        He’ll show up at next GaryCon.”

      • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
        September 27, 2015 2:15 pm

        I love you guys (no homo)! 😀

  73. NUNYA permalink
    September 26, 2015 2:40 pm

    FAWK YEW RPGPUNDICK!!!1 WE AM ARE TEH OSR TAILBIN–WE DO NOT FORGIVE WE DONUT FORGETS!!!1

    http://www.therpgsite.com/showpost.php?p=758402&postcount=1

  74. Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
    September 26, 2015 3:58 pm

    Venge is Kickstarting a space brothel suck (literally) dungeon. I bet he’s going to lock himself in his study with a petabyte of Kirk/Horta slashfic and an EPUB of “Space Raptor Butt Invasion” until he’s done.

    Time to roll up a Dralasite pole dancer…

    • NUNYA permalink
      September 26, 2015 4:24 pm

      HOAPFULLY IS ALL AN ALL SHEMALE ART PEEPLE DRAWING IT !

      :p
      -NUNYA

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        September 26, 2015 4:27 pm

        I hope it’s Poag.

    • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
      September 26, 2015 5:20 pm

      At the $100 level, you get to flag and report it to RPGNow for banning.

      • September 27, 2015 6:02 am

        At the $500 level, he sends you a 55 gallon drum of Nickolodeon slime labeled “Uncle Venger’s Eldritch Love Goo”.

        At the $2700 level, you get to bang a Pierson’s Puppeteer, or some facsimile thereof.

    • September 27, 2015 10:18 am

      “It’ll also be lighthearted and silly in places”

      Why can’t people take space brothels seriously?

  75. September 28, 2015 2:51 am

    Quick update: Our close and personal friend is handing out free Dark Albion Core rulebook Pizza. Get em while they are hot.

    • September 28, 2015 6:53 am

      Can’t wait for your review! Did you ever download “Small but Vicious Dog”? That’s the free product I suspect Pundejo ripped off this time.

    • September 28, 2015 7:04 am

      Downloaded and skimmed. I read Small but Vicious Dog and i’m afraid you are going to lose your bet for the most part. Review is going to be a while since this is one big fucking dragon of a book but my gut says its better then AoI, maybe even bordering on not shit. Comparisons with sbVD and Paladins of Charlemaigne or whatever that 2nd edition historical supplement was called will of course be forthcoming.

      • September 28, 2015 11:51 am

        Some delicious hints of ineptitude scattered here and there, i suspect i might have to choke down that gut feeling before Dark Albion and i are through.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        September 28, 2015 5:18 pm

        Something tells me the biggest mistake is substituting a ‘Crystal Dragon Jesus’ religion for actual Christianity. I get annoyed when somebody does a ‘92% historical’ campaign setting- if something so big as the religion which has underpinned culture for fifteen hundred years is different, then why do historical figures with identical names and personalities even exist. Was Taintloafsky really concerned that somebody would be upset if he included actual real world religions?

        I avoid ‘historical’ RPGs like the plague for precisely this reason. Better to do a homebrew, whether vanilla or gonzo.

      • September 29, 2015 2:33 am

        Im okay with crystal dragon jesus or pseudo-historical rpgs if done properly, Warhammer Fantasy being an example of good Crystal Dragon Jesus. What i can glean from his blog, Tarno set out to do with England what WhF did with Germany which explains the Unconquered Sun religion and a france dominated by evil humanoid frog men. Given the immense popularity of GoT, his choice of setting makes sense from a marketing standpoint.

        I have the sneaking suspicion Dark Albion will be undone by its writing and conceptual flaws. We shall see.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        September 30, 2015 6:23 pm

        My beef isn’t with Crystal Dragon Jesus, per se, but with the notion that something as large as the substitution of a major religion that was the foundation of the culture with something else has no larger ripple effects. The Old World of Warhammer filed the serial numbers off of everything- even though everything was recognizable, there was no exact correspondence. I think Pundejo’s error (and Dom’s),was to keep over 90% of everything but to throw out the 10% that accounts for why the 90% is what is presented.

        He should have gone the Warhammer or Game of Thrones route and changed more, but he’s not that bright, nor (as the butcher notes) that creative.

        Now the real question is, when is Kent going to release his setting? I’m sure “The Dumb World of Kentcosa” would be every bit as good as “Dark Albion”.

      • October 5, 2015 10:36 am

        Full disclosure, I have perused some of Kent’s choisiest thought pellets and I am convinced that, should he be imprisoned within a humid dungeon (a replication of his natural Irish habitat) and given a month’s worth of dog biscuits and whiskey (a close approximation of his habitual diet), not forgetting a detonation collar with a one month fuse, he could assemble an elfgame capable of besting AoI and Dark Albion in both scope and style.

        Discuss!

      • October 5, 2015 5:38 pm

        Probably, yes, but that’s not setting the bar terribly high, now, is it?

      • October 6, 2015 4:44 am

        Aye, Pundit’s games are kind of shit. I will say they are functional for the most part, but even with a more promising publication like Dark Albion it is devoid of creativity, atmosphere, orginality or talent. The choisiest gems are pried from the gilded statues of their source material and obliviously embedded in a mound of chewed wood pulp and hardened dung. “Look upon my works ye mighty,” exclaims Pundit.

        “And Despair!”

      • October 10, 2015 8:40 pm

        Is there a Godwin’s Law we can invoke with y’all and GW?

  76. bad wolf permalink
    September 28, 2015 6:26 pm

    I know you may think that incorporating a craft brewery in Lithuania put you beyond his jurisdiction but never fear, Sargent Tenkar of the NYPD IP Squad is still on the case because AN IP HAS BEEN STOLEN!

    http://www.tenkarstavern.com/2015/09/is-that-dcc-on-my-beer-perhaps.html

    • Sgt. TenKabukiman permalink
      September 30, 2015 1:55 am

      If you think I can’t carflip to wherever you hide you’re in for a big surprise you IP-stealing Lith scum !

      And also – yesterday me and rach had a conversation about something but I work nights now (did I already tell you that ?) and I’m so tired I can’t remember shit but anyway please comment.

    • Sykirobme permalink
      September 30, 2015 6:53 am

      Beer guy: “We’ve been sent a takedown notice by Tenkar! THE Tenkar, of Tenkar’s Tavern! My life is complete! Shut the operation down!”

  77. NUNYA permalink
    September 30, 2015 7:15 am

    I AM NOT RAED ALL 400 POSTS ABOVE FROM U RETRED GUYZ BUT ANYONE OF YEW SEE A ZAK PIGFUKR INTERVIEW HIS OWN BOSS JAMIE FLAMEPRINCISS?? MUTULE BLOWJOBS ONCE MANDY LEAVES TO 711 TO BUY GROCERIES WITH TEH EBT?!

    http://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.ca/2015/09/but-does-he-still-hate-fun-interview.html

  78. Sykirobme permalink
    September 30, 2015 8:41 am

    Pundit flexes his l337 wizard skillz, yo:

    http://www.therpgsite.com/showpost.php?p=858287&postcount=65

    • September 30, 2015 3:14 pm

      Someone needs to tell that genius he’s discovered non-lucid dreaming.

      • September 30, 2015 4:26 pm

        Creativity is such an alien thing to Pundit that he probably feels he’s pulling off an awe-inspiring magical operation by running a regular ol’ RPG campaign without reading out loud from a book.

  79. Geoffie McKinney, whose cum covers princeofnothing's many chins permalink
    October 1, 2015 9:11 am

    Yep. In my experience, PCs are nearly always chaotic evil (to use AD&D terminology). The PCs are always a law unto themselves. They never meekly submit to arrest. If they get thrown into a magistrate’s cage, there is always a jail-break attempt. If someone steals from the PCs, they take the law into their own hands. Etc. In short, as far as the PCs are concerned, laws are only for other people.

    At best, the PCs I’ve seen are chaotic neutral, but chaotic evil is by far the most common alignment. “Take what you can get, and the devil fetch the hindmost” seems to be the PCs’ creed, regardless of what is written on the character sheet. (“I’m a lawful good cleric of the god of law and order!” HA!)

  80. FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
    October 1, 2015 8:31 pm

    I can’t wait to rate Pundick and Zak Attack with my new Peeple app! Actually, I can’t wait for you guys to rate them on Peeple!

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      October 1, 2015 9:14 pm

      I’m going to rate Old Geezer on the new Tongue My Peeple app.

      • October 1, 2015 9:41 pm

        That was silly and it made me chuckle.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        October 1, 2015 11:09 pm

        My work here is done.

  81. Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
    October 1, 2015 11:26 pm

    Hey, didn’t Anton bitch about a ‘witch hunt’ game a few years back?

    http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/96105/Darker-Paths-2-The-Witch

    I guess financial considerations trump principles. The spice, as I am wont to say, must flow.

    • Timotheus permalink
      October 2, 2015 6:07 am

      Never thought I’d see Witchiepoo cite the Malleus Maleficarum as a source in any of his blOwSR supplements. Especially after that hissy fit over the witch hunt game. Way to stand up for your principles, GOPagan.

      • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
        October 2, 2015 10:04 am

        I think he switched to that religion where you have to squat on a frozen horse dick or something to appease the gods. It’s called AssPooPoo or something. You’d have to ask a gay Neo-Nazi. Is Mjollnir still around?

      • October 2, 2015 11:20 am

        Last I heard, he was selling his ass to Wookie cosplayers in Venger’s space brothel LARP.

      • Synagogue of Satan permalink
        December 4, 2015 9:42 pm

        Unblown – You of all people should know that Bibgy is our recognized authority on all things dong related.

  82. Lovecock permalink
    October 2, 2015 8:57 pm

    This gay is the best gay in the world. He says gays need a space to be boisterous online on chat forums, being bullies and homos and gays in a safe space, 4 mins in.

    More of the gay chat

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=MILO+YIANNOPOULOS&page=2

    yourdungeonissuck POWER !!!
    homosexual POWER !!!

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      October 2, 2015 9:10 pm

      That’s not Herodotus and Homer… you even failed in your flounce, Dunning-Kruger Boy. You can’t even be a snob successfully.

      • Lovecock permalink
        October 2, 2015 9:17 pm

        Sparta up your arse !!

  83. FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
    October 5, 2015 5:52 am

    So I am out of town at a hotel and as luck would have it I find a smart phone in the lobby. Before I turn it in to the front desk, I decide to use it to give Blooey a call. No answer, mailbox is full. I know I’ve had more than a few laughs at his expense but I sincerely hope he’s okay.

    Sigh! 😦

    • Captain Kirks Dick Blood permalink
      October 6, 2015 4:13 pm

      Thanks for giving it a shot, and for being a true Bloo member in the Blooey Army. I really regret not jotting down the names (really, I’m not a stalker…just an obsessed Blooey-fanboy) and info of Blooey son and the Dog Walker from when they were on his FB page. Though his “Crazy Old Lady” GF is long out of his life, maybe the promise of a big shampoo and nail trimming job would coax some more info out of her (I’d only call her if I found a phone at a hotel). And Blooey Son? Hell, he may have done in our hero for being a deadbeat dad who is now just dead.

      Sigh? 😦

  84. Arneson's Spectre permalink
    October 5, 2015 6:01 am

    Unblown formless blob who probably can’t even do one sit up Geof McKinney, the sick fuck who gave us the pedo rape game Carcosa, is now an expert on bodybuilding:

    http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=71738

    • Arneson's Spectre permalink
      October 5, 2015 6:02 am

      Just take a good look at this blOwSR pedo wearing easy access shorts for Chucky Cheese quickies in the restroom! What the fuck do you know about bodybuilding Geoffy?

      • Sykirobme permalink
        October 5, 2015 7:28 am

        He…he…he looks…like…Jared. It’s uncanny.

      • Gary Gygax (OFFICIAL) permalink
        October 5, 2015 8:20 am

        Quickies in the Chuck E. Cheese restroom were my specialty, and very much the One True Way to play D&D!

    • October 5, 2015 6:34 am

      That thread is a pretty sweet mixture of homo-eroticism, butthurt and pseudo-historical dialectic. 7/10 would read again.

      • October 5, 2015 2:29 pm

        My fave is the guy who calls Geoffy a “beta”, rhapsodizes about bodybuilders, then ends by telling them he’s off to the gym, yo.

        He should do a “Dungeonbro” podcast. Durr Hurr would beat off to that.

    • Timotheus permalink
      October 5, 2015 6:52 am

      No surprise geoff wishes that REH had endorsed that feminine Conan drawn by Brundage. Then he could almost respect himself for being a pansy.

      • Lamentations of Gary Gygax's Ghost permalink
        October 5, 2015 3:50 pm

        So basically Geoffrey is saying if you dissect him down to his basic organic components, removed all the fat, arterial plaque, gout, Twinkie residue, and undigested Cheetos you’d find out he was somewhat moderately strong. Very interesting outlook that guy has.

    • October 10, 2015 8:42 pm

      That is the actual stupidest thread I’ve ever read. Everyone can stop trying, we’re through the looking glass, people.

      • October 11, 2015 8:45 am

        It’s agressively homoerotic — not that there’s anything wrong with that, just not my cup of tea — but it’s entertaining in the way threads about Internet smart guys going on and on about complex shit with no formal study and no real-life experience to back up their long-winded and dogmatic screeds.

        Still, I must echo the first reply’s puzzlement: what’s the deal with Geoffy and muscle men?

  85. NUNYA permalink
    October 5, 2015 7:21 pm

    SPAKING OF A GUY DRAWERING, HEAR IS RIPOFF ARTIST POAG SHOWING HOW HE FINALLY FIGGERED OUT FIRST YEAR DRAW-SCHOOL THINGS HAHAHA HE SO PROUD OF HIS OWN FUCKWITTERY!!!1

    https://stefanpoag.wordpress.com/2015/10/05/obvious-things-department/

  86. Captain Kirks Dick Blood permalink
    October 6, 2015 4:18 pm

    Goddamn, Geoffie looks like half the dudes who showed up at the entrapment house on To Catch a Predator! Man, that’s great stuff. Creepo could not even throw on some slacks for his interview? And nice “1980’s Young Republican” haircut, dipshit.

    And the other guy looks like I imagine all the Unblowntards on DF who don’t post their pic on the “post a pic of yourself” threads.

    • NUNYA permalink
      October 6, 2015 9:26 pm

      SEE HOW HE NONTSTOP NODDS HIS HEAD AFORE BUUYDY IS DONE WITH A COMMANT OR QUESTION?? IS AN EGOIST BAWDY LANGYAGE TAHT SEZ ‘YES, ALL YOUR THINKS ARE ALRAEDY KNOWN TO ME, MORTIL; SO WHEN IS MY TURN FOR A VERBAL ONERSHIP OF TEH CAMRA’??

      LIKE MY GAMMY USED TO SAY “WOTTA FAWKIN DOOSHBAG”

      😛

    • October 7, 2015 6:29 pm

      Funny, I don’t remember the story in which Conan unsuccessfully tries to wrestle a nine year-old into the back of a van. It must have been a Lin Carter/Ed Gein pastiche.

      • OA, BD permalink
        October 8, 2015 6:55 am

        Oscar Anderson Likes this.

      • Captain Kirks Dick Blood permalink
        October 8, 2015 11:18 am

        It was actually rewritten just prior to inclusion in whatever moldy old pulp mag it was published in. The “Amazing Stupendous Space Adventure” mag editors insisted the 9 year old be changed to a hot blond Frost Giants Daughter, and the two concerned and heroic onlookers who give chase are changed to the actual frost giants. This allows our hero to actually win in the end, rather than be pulled from the van and kicked to shit while yelling “I just wanted to be friends!”

  87. NUNYA permalink
    October 8, 2015 5:45 pm

    IN FARTHER NEWS OF INTRIST TO A YDIS, YEWR CLOSED PERSINAL FREND BLUD-MAIJ IS NOT THIS GAI (SEE A PICTURE)

    http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/sex-offender-door-steven-willett-desert-city-california/story?id=10478627

    MAYBE TIME FOR DRAGGINFEET TO CALL IN TEH PRODOOSIR’S FROM WAIR INA WIRLD IS CARMEN SANFRANSISKO? KIKSTAR?

    :p
    -NUNYA

  88. RPGPundit is Right! permalink
    October 13, 2015 2:00 pm

    Let’s ignore the question of climate change denial and ask yourself this: would someone on the left be allowed to do an article acknowledging the science of climate change, completely accepting man-made climate change, but opposing the anti-technology and personal-fascism solution that the left is currently pretending is “the only answer” to climate change? Would they be allowed to write something that says “yes, climate change is absolutely real but we have to solve it through the market, technological innovation, and without creating a whole new socialist hierarchy that would remove basic freedoms from the vast majority of the population, creating a two-tiered system where the ruling elite get cars and running water and 24-hour electricity and meat, and everyone else gets soylent green rations and a pre-industrial life expectancy”?
    Shit, would they even be allowed to say “yes, climate change is absolutely real but ‘sustainability’ is not actually a solution in any meaningful way and clearly not the answer”?

    Of course not.

    At this point, they’d barely be allowed to post an article arguing that space exploration and development is probably a really important key to resolving our human problems. Because “everyone knows” that the right way to think is that “we can’t possibly justify letting a few people, mostly white males, go to space when we have all these terrible economic, environmental and social issues right here on earth! We need to stop going anywhere and stay on this dying world and solve it by prohibiting beef!!1! If you support space exploration you’re a patriarchal imperialist misogynist honorary-rapist like that HORRIFIC TRIGGERING MONSTER who wore that awful t-shirt that made me feel raped who thought he was privileged to do so just because he landed some rocket on some comet! Its like he raped that poor comet!!”

    Fuck that. It is FUCKING OBVIOUS that when it comes to personal freedom, the left is TOTALITARIAN now. I get that for some of you, this might be really uncomfortable because you’ve always felt closer to the left than the right. So did I! In my whole adult life I never voted for a right wing party. I spent my whole childhood and teenage years having to deal with right-wing assholes who wanted to ban the music I liked, the movies I liked, the games I liked and who wanted to push Jesus on me. Barely ten years ago, I was insulting and speaking out forcefully against a group of right-wing neo-cons who had started what I feel are completely illegitimate wars.
    And the left were always the side that was all about freedom, about our freedom to be ourselves, to do what we wanted, to defend people’s rights to speak, to act, to consume substances, to dress how they wanted, to own their own bodies. It was the left who despised race-based politics and prejudice against people for their gender or the colour of their skin.
    The left was very clearly the good guys, and the right were very clearly the bad guys.

    So I totally get that a lot of you would still desperately want that to be reality.

    But it isn’t. Today, it’s the LEFT that are telling us how we have to speak, what we’re not allowed to do, what we are or are not allowed to consume, the LEFT are the ones telling women they can’t dress in certain ways, telling women they shouldn’t be allowed to choose what they do with their bodies. Telling LGBT people that if they don’t act a certain way they are evil. Telling us that a person’s skin color or gender or background should be the determining factor in what we think of them and whether we hate them, or unflinchingly praise them regardless of what kind of atrocities they commit.

    Check out your uniforms, dudes. You’re the ones who are the baddies now.

    • October 13, 2015 2:13 pm

      Oh, John Tarnowski, whether you are shielding your identity under the RPG Pundit mask or more recently as Kasimir Urbanski in communities like everyjoe.com, mainsplain.org and H00T3RZ, you are clearly one of the bravest freedom fighters on any planet. The totalitarian global left would have silenced you years ago if only they knew who you really are.

      Wait, you haven’t taken a garden tool to the skull yet? There is no problem with the narrative. I will say that the only times I’ve been forced to bend data to fit a political agenda, it was to defend various right-wing interests: Bob Livingston versus Salon.com and the Flynt Report (this dates my sad ass), the Thaksin family versus the opposition, hard-line Latin expats versus the home regime, Koch against all. But down in game land I guess up is down, back is forward and storygamers out to getcha!

    • October 13, 2015 11:01 pm

      Who the fuck is he talking about? The only advocates of the soylent and sod houses policy are in his head. Jimmy Carter suggested that people turn down their thermostats a bit and put on sweaters, he didn’t suggest moving into a mud hut heated by burning dried cow dung.

      Christ, Pundejo is one delusional asshole.

    • October 14, 2015 6:59 am

      Wait. What was he smoking this time?

    • Timotheus permalink
      October 14, 2015 9:29 am

      Sounding more and more like his will-to-power hero Brevik every day.

      • October 14, 2015 12:01 pm

        Leaving the climate change denial aside (i find it unlikely climate change is nonsense but then again i have not looked at the counter arguments/complications with the model so who cares), there is a perceptible shift in the attitude of the formarly tolerant lefwing authorities that have come to dominate much of politics and media.

        One need not point to radical feminists, since one should not conflate a metastasing cancer of the brain and soul with a political viewpoint and we are discussing the antics of humans and not goblins, but relevant examples include Germany’s recent collaboration with Facebook to censor speech (label it hatespeech, done!) opposing the mass immigration from all over the 3rd world i mean Syria totally Syria, the shamefully one-way coverage by the predominantly leftwing european media of said event, the condoning of violations of individual rights that take place against people that are outspoken opponents of feminism or multiculturalism or whatever the kool-aid of the day is and you can find more worrying examples of a growing inability/unwillingness to deal with criticism if you look all day.

        I think to speak in terms of leftwing or rightwing has more or less lost its meaning these days. A more useful categorisation would be authoritarian vs libertarian. I have no delusions that the people cheering free speech now will keep doing so if the tide suddenly shifts. When people have the upper hand it takes great strength of character and principles to play fair when it is to your advantage to simply deny your opponent a platform. Whatever can be said of his viewpoints, we know that RPGpundit absolutely unequivocally does not oppose censorship or other foul methods if that censorship is to his advantage.

        Pundit, given the upper hand, would very likely do the exact same thing as the authoritarians he detracts. It is a grotesque shame that in this day and age one must share even a splinter of political agreement with such wretches. Politics aside, i still pick smart and cool to hang out with over agreement with the ideology of the day which is why i am here.

        Good night bitches!

      • October 16, 2015 1:44 am

        @Prince

        I am obliged to concur. A tyrant is a tyrant regardless of where they stand on the political spectrum and going around saying “you’re the baddies now” evidences an intellectual immaturity only exceeded by the typical British journalist. The left-right binary isn’t really worth a fart in a tinker’s cup either; it’s another cops-and-robbers goodies-and-baddies them-and-us oversimplified narrative for the hard of thinking.

        As for Pundit, he has failed to grasp that sustainability is not a solution but an approach to managing and implementing solutions, most of which will come from technological innovation… but I didn’t come here to bang my big green drum.

    • Tasha's Hideous Labia permalink
      October 20, 2015 10:15 am

      The problem is the same one it’s always been: stupidity. Making broad, sweeping generalizations combined with the inability to see nuance or subtle difference is also part of the problem. Refusing to understand that someone can have political or economic views that come from a variety of places is what’s killing quality discourse. Laundry-list politics are bullshit.

      There are plenty of people with fairly “left” leaning politics who see that dealing with climate change has to make business sense. Read some Stewart Brand, who as a former hippie founded the Whole Earth Catalog back in the day, yet who now sees that modern, small-reactor nuclear power has to be part of the solution to get off fossil fuels. There are also books like Natural Capitalism that look at environmental issues from the perspective of workable business solutions (Lovins, et. al.)

      There are anti-tolerance, anti-freedom idiots on both sides of the political spectrum as has been pointed out before. But I would argue that it’s not “left/right replaced by libertarian/totalitarian”, rather, it’s “1% fucking over 99% by dividing up the 99% and convincing them they’re different from each other when they’re not.” Wealth is the greatest political/social division point now.

      But I digress.

      The biggest problem with all this OSR/D&D bullshit is people thinking they’re more important than they actually are. This was always the case in past decades when it came to arguing about rpgs-you were just people in a micro-niche hobby arguing about arcane nonsense. But now with nerdsploitation as a viable business model by mainstream companies/celebrities/etc., everyone with a blog/kickstarter/g+ community are jacking themselves off at the prospect of Wil Wheaton dipping his balls in their mouths.

      • Genghis Don permalink
        October 24, 2015 8:56 pm

        wealth/power is a massive divider (& always has been), but I agree with Prince of nothing & Von on the change to left & right being less important than authoritarian vs “libertarian” these days.

        The gamergate & other stuff, often internet based, but all over sometimes (comedians vs university kids/campuses, trannies vs drag queens, etc) really makes it seem to fall into that. “Regressive leftists” seem newer (at least to me) than that sort of thing on the right (which seems a very old hat to me), but it seems so much more pervasive today.

  89. October 14, 2015 2:17 pm

    Whassup bros!

    The first six-week elimination round of my intense blog contest just wound up so if you havnt voted yet nows your chance. Review the essays and send your choices in so we can get on with this thing. If Im doing the math right this will keep my blog dragging for another month or so. Guess I shouldve planned ahead! ᶘ ᵒᴥᵒᶅ

    • October 14, 2015 3:09 pm

      Nice try Zakbot, im not reading your boring blog again. Someone else take this bullet. Ill take Dark Albion over the Zakinashow.

    • NUNYA permalink
      October 14, 2015 5:59 pm

      SAY WAHT YEW WANT ABOWT ZAKFAG PIGFUKR IS A WON THIS ARUGIMINT THIS TIME BCUZ HE GAIMS WITH CHARLIT STROKELY SO HE IS A HERO CUZ I PULL DAT PORK DALEY WATCHING HER SHAKE ALL DAT ASS DOE, FUK YAH.

  90. Timotheus permalink
    October 15, 2015 12:00 pm

    Well I got an email from FagGod games about their newest “long-awaited” kickstarter, the Border provinces or something, for their ridiculously-named Lost Lands (look it up on ks, not gonna link). I went by to check it out and was greeted with this text near the bottom:

    “*We credit Matt (Finch) with starting off the DIY old-school publishing movement called the OSR, when he wrote OSRIC with Stuart Marshall, basically inventing the concept of the retro-clone. But we can’t legitimately mention the OSR without also mentioning a host of other people who founded the 2006 surge in old-school publishing, including (but definitely not limited to) Stuart Marshall, Jolly Blackburn, Steve and Mark of Dragonsfoot, Jerry Mapes of Knights & Knaves, RPGPundit of the RPGsite, Rob Kuntz, Dan Proctor, Jim Raggi, James Maliszewski, the Troll Lords, Doug Rhea and Mike Badolato of NTRPGCon, the ex-TSR guys, and many others. We owe a debt of gratitude to all these folks!”

    So god damn. The RPGPlagiarist’s Stalinesque campaign of inserting himself into photos of 2006 actually worked. If you repeat a lie over and over, it really does take on the patina of truth. At least to Bill Webb and his sloppy-ass company.

    Hell Faggi got name checked, too. His blog and advertisements of Insect Shrine vaporware didn’t start until 2008, right? But he is more legit blOwSR than Tarnowski.

    And this kickstarter is a stupid clusterfuck – two different titles for three different game systems, plus assorted players’ guides and maps and other books as add-ons, plus some unspecified stretch goals designed to get more of the Unblown dollar. I am sure it will do well, considering the Stockholmites it is marketed to.

    But the final irony of this OSR namechecking – Necromancer Games, the forebearer of FG, was Bill Webb and Clark Peterson. Clark was a lawyer (and then a judge) who told Marshall that he was breaking the law with OSRIC, and very publically on the NG boards told him he was going to get sued by WOTC and it was doomed to failure.

    Now, Marshall has made dozens of dollars from OSRIC and Peterson is getting sued for posting on the Paizo boards while in the cortroom.

    • NUNYA permalink
      October 15, 2015 3:03 pm

      I for one applaud Marshall Finch’s achievement, whoever the fuck he is. Doubly so if he now has the means to tunnel out of his basement-cave and can afford a quality razor.

      You friend, on the other hand, appear to be yet another masturbatory troll; casually wiping Dorito dust off your unshowered, greasy belly whilst hunting for the least rank smelling of your spooge-socks.

      IN OTHRE WURDS — YEW AM ARE ONE KEWL GAI!! ~VIBES FROM A NUNYA

    • October 16, 2015 2:32 am

      So god damn. The RPGPlagiarist’s Stalinesque campaign of inserting himself into photos of 2006 actually worked. If you repeat a lie over and over, it really does take on the patina of truth. At least to Bill Webb and his sloppy-ass company.

      I suspect that Webb is blowing smoke up Pundejo’s ass because Pundejo’s dozens of followers might lead to tens of Kickstarter pledges. Everybody say it with me now: “The spice must flow!” Even a tiny tobacco-tainted dribble from the corner of Tarnowski’s mouth adds up.

      That bit about Peterson is crazy- bankruptcy, divorce, lawsuits. Never put elf game notoreity over real life obligations. Shit, even Zak is circling the art world drain as he’s killing it with the retro-elfy set. He’d better hope that collaborating with that China guy reinvigorates his brand, or he might have to pawn his hairdo.

      • Timotheus permalink
        October 16, 2015 7:05 am

        You’re right about the reach arounds being geared toward the flow of spice.

        In fairness to Clark (since i kinda bashed him) that lawsuit was brought by two people – one was a guy who was mad that his caretaker sister got the bigger inheritance when their mom passed and Clark upheld it, and the other was a woman who posted on her facebook that Clark, as Orcus, was forcing his players to perform satanic rituals, so of course he was not paying attention to her case. I guess in Idaho the elf games are still kinda satanic to the masses. That suit is coming up on two years old, now, and I can’t find any info on it’s outcome.

        But clark IS an asshole and DID post a shitload on the Paizo boards while he was at work.

      • Aos permalink
        October 18, 2015 1:29 pm

        The OSR started more with blog and forum nerds making stuff for each other for free than it did with the commercial stuff. The for pay guys may have been around then, but didn’t get any traction until much later.

  91. Timotheus permalink
    October 16, 2015 10:49 am

    God damn it makes me feel sleazy, but I love Ed Dove. here he slut-shames two people that uncircled him because of his continual harrassment:

    https://plus.google. com/+EdDove0/posts/KCCqrn1uuFU

    As always, since I am too stupid to post g+ links, remove the space from between the dot and the com.

    I guess one is that Raphael Chandler buttboy, no idea who the other is.

    A couple days after this post, he publically proclaimed he was done with Faggi, too, but cryptically won’t say why.

    • October 16, 2015 1:04 pm

      In solidarity, I too will refuse to spend money on LotFP products.

      #istandwithed

    • Arneson's Spectre permalink
      October 17, 2015 5:39 am

      That’s one heck of a wall of text there, Ed! Just because you are too poor to afford a therapist (and seriously, at this stage of the game, anyone who doesn’t have Obamacare just to spite Obama and Liberals is a fucking moron), doesn’t mean Google+ wants to serve as your surrogate.

      • October 20, 2015 7:18 pm

        Ed, I’d love to hear more from you! Did you carefully and precisely make your womansuit from a single victim, or did you stitch together scraps from several females you captured and killed? I imagine the former is more rewarding aesthetically, but the latter is probably easier.

    • October 17, 2015 9:10 am

      I find it amusing that Raggi – purveyor of penis monsters – criticizes someone as childish.

      (Perhaps he meant it as a compliment?)

    • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
      October 17, 2015 8:54 pm

      HAHAHAHAHAHA! Is Ed Dove mentally retarded for real reals!

  92. NUNYA permalink
    October 18, 2015 11:11 am

    HEAR ARE A OSR GUISE SPEAKING TAHT A ORC IS RALLY STANDING FOR A MOHAWK PEEPLE! SAWRY TENT DWALLER IMA NEED THAT XP, LOOT AND MOCCSINS!!1

    http://odd74.proboards.com/thread/11280/orc-leaders

    AND PEEPLE SAY I’MA KRAY-KRAY WEHN OFF MAH MEDS!!1

    :p
    NUNYA

    • October 18, 2015 11:41 pm

      Except that’s not what he said, is it? Bringing up the Mohawks or the Picts as an example society to illustrate how your orcs work isn’t the same thing as saying they’re directly analogous.

      I feel sorry for the poor bastard who said he’d deliberately kept Tolkien off the table because he didn’t want to have yet another conversation about where Tolkien’s orcs came from and how that influenced Dave-n-Gary and yet, with the inevitability of an anvil in freefall, down comes the great clomping foot of nerdism once again.

      You will only tread a circle, Titus Derv…

      • NUNYA permalink
        October 19, 2015 4:53 am

        OOOHHH ORCPEEPLE ONLY ACT (90%?) LIKE A BISON-MAN BUT TAHT IS NOT SAYING DIRECTLY ANALIGOS ?! AS LONG AS YOU USE A SOPHIESTRY TO SAY IT ONLY EQUATE TO TEH SAME BUT IS NOT TEH SAME IT MUST BE ALL GUD!

        YEW GOT MY VOTE POLITICAN-GAI!!
        -NUNYA

        P.S.- WHY YEW SO RAYCISS??

      • October 19, 2015 6:26 am

        Illustration is not equation. If you’re trying to describe a fictional tribal society then you’re probably going to reach for a real one, if there happens to be a real one that’s a good enough fit.

        A 90% fit might be veering into “OK you just stuck pig noses on Native Americans” territory, which is lazy development as much as it’s anything else. Is that what we’re seeing here?

        P.S. I’m not racist, I’m elitist. Apparently.

      • October 19, 2015 4:58 am

        He seems to be doubling down on the analogue though by letting other people bring in the Picts or other tribal societies while he focuses on the French and Indian Wars. My favourite part of that thread is the genius who notes tremulously that “‘red eye’ and ‘white hand’ orcs is reminsiscent of the way orcs function in in the Lord of the Rings.”

      • October 19, 2015 6:18 am

        @Schizbot – It might be the starry-eyed romantic in me but I think it’s still OK to talk about the example which is a perfect fit as far as you see it, even if other examples have been brought up. It’s not like we’re not dealing with people who are prone to perseveration or anything, after all…

  93. bat permalink
    October 19, 2015 10:09 am

    Did I not say this was pretty cool before? One starts reading and the concept explodes. It is totally bizarre and full of new ideas. Is it for everyone? No, however a DM/GM/whatever can take something away from this and throw a curveball at their group.

    • Timotheus permalink
      October 19, 2015 10:56 am

      I was wondering what the fuck you were talking about, and then realized it might be the subject of the post, Dreams of Ruin.

      On-Topicism is weak as shit. 1/10 Bec de Corbins.

      • bat permalink
        October 19, 2015 12:34 pm

        I claim deliriousness brought on by intense hallucinations of dubious origin, I am barely aware of what day it is most of the time, so I should actually get credit for being on topic considering my usual condition, or so say I.

  94. The News permalink
    October 19, 2015 11:04 am

    James Raggi IV has today been convicted of homosexual rape of a young Syrian immigrant.

    When asked by the court if he was ashamed of his behavior he replied,

    ‘It was too enjoyable for any of that.’

  95. The News permalink
    October 19, 2015 11:22 am

    James Raggi IV has given up writing to watch Netflix and eat fatty shitty foods constantly. Constantly

    When asked by the court if he was ashamed of his behavior he replied,

    ‘Yummm Yummnn Cthulhu Ftaggn guaun odijcpqejc yummy in my tummy.’

    • Timotheus permalink
      October 19, 2015 1:36 pm

      Nice find, kent! Looks like there has been some pruning there already.

      “adolescent gore grenades” is as respectful a description of Faggi’s products as I have ever seen.

    • October 19, 2015 11:11 pm

      “Another had heard about a “D&D porn guy” but not specifically Raggi’s personal work.”

      The most reasonable outcome, given the circumstances.

      I may put that “Scenic Dunnsmouth” thing on the vaguely-desire-but-not-actually-wish-for list. It has a chilling sense of potential usefulness about it.

    • October 20, 2015 9:59 am

      I thought you were taking a break for some serious heavy-duty reading, anyway? (Why you scorch and salt the earth beneath you when your interest cycles is beyond me, but that’s neither here nor there…)

    • NUNYA permalink
      October 20, 2015 3:31 pm

      “Are you glad that D&D gamers don’t have much respect for LotFP ?”

      AH OSR, YEWR INTILACTUAL HONISTY IS SHINE THREW WIT A KWISTION LIKE TIHS!

      PLEEZE WITHOLD JUDJING TIL SMELLEXIS AND KINT PLEEZE INLITEN US ON TIHS AS MOAR FAPPERY RECQWIRED !!!

  96. don't forget about your dynamic ip permalink
    October 20, 2015 8:20 am

    Haha, yeah nice job finding the thread you started. Matthew must be “on holiday” for it to have lasted almost a day. Go get ’em, buddy!

  97. Captain Kirks Dick Blood permalink
    October 20, 2015 7:07 pm

    Hahaha. Total M. Night Shamalala twist to that thread. If only that mod had referred to him as “Kunt.” Bah, if it was a perfect world Blooey would still be online and live.

    Quote of the week: “Nice find, kent!” – Timotheus

  98. Zak S &/or Mandy M Bot permalink
    October 21, 2015 7:33 am

    1. Kent was banned from Dragonsfoot YEARS ago–why are y’all still letting him post?

    2. I dunno if it’s been good or bad for “modern D&D” but Red & Pleasant Land and Vornheim have sold more copies than pretty much any other OSR product ever and I haven’t received even one complaint. And considering how much gamers like to complain that’s saying something.

    • October 21, 2015 11:49 am

      Shockingly, Zak had a civil response to this inquiry:

      ZakS&/orMandyM wrote:
      Red & Pleasant Land and Vornheim have sold more copies than pretty much any other OSR product ever….

      Do you have any statistics to show this to be true?

      We’re through the looking glass, people, which reminds me: BUY SOME PRODUCT!!!

  99. Captain Kirks Dick Blood permalink
    October 21, 2015 11:31 am

    At least Kunt got his Zak attention fix with that thread. Probably knocking out his 5th or 6th whiskey dick ghost load of the last 16 hours with the thought of his obsession popping into a thread he started. The good life, eh, Kuntington? You’ve crafted a wonderful existence for yourself.

    Seeing the unblowntards goofing on him in their own backyard is pretty awesome though. Even in that den of dipshits he’s like a fart in an elevator. Hope it doesn’t take him too far back into his Floyd’s The Wall British schoolyard days in his gay ass school uniform being bullied and tormented by students and teachers alike.

    Sing with me “We don’t need no lame sock puppets”

  100. Timotheus permalink
    October 22, 2015 7:10 am

    Heh, that DF thread keeps getting better. Some dude demanded Zak apologize for his behavior from a year and a half ago, and other DFers tell him to let bygones be bygones. Too bad Zak is not that mature, eh?

    And Gengis Dorner keeps taking shots at us, as if he can’t get us out of his head, kinda like CKDB keeps taking impotent shots at me here.

    (I assume CKDB hasn’t forgiven me for showing his claims of having invented the word “unblown” were false through the arcane magic of google. Be careful, though, CKDB, or I’ll remind everyone about your racist solidarity with Mjollnir and shared laughter with Pundejo over murdered kids. People usually ask me to back up those kinda claims, and I always do, and I am prepared to here, if pushed, though it will take a while to go through a 900 post thread.)

    • October 22, 2015 7:25 am

      If you two are going to have at it might I request you do so in using shakespearian english and in the form of a limmerick? If not, Homerian prose will do.

    • Captain Kirks Dick Blood permalink
      October 22, 2015 10:44 am

      Zuh?

  101. Captain Kirks Dick Blood permalink
    October 22, 2015 10:51 am

    Aw, l’il Timmy knows he’s my tenderoni. Bro’s can’t throw a little smack across the dinner table? It’s the holidays coming up, for Blooey’s sake!

    And as long as the credit and trophy goes to the true inventor of “unblown,” I’m happy camping. My memory isn’t as good as it used to be, but it sounds like something I’d come up with. I’m still proud of whipping up “Raggi the Last.” (at least I think I did). Funny, right? I mean, he’s probably not going to have kids and will die of a heart attack at a young age. It’s no “unblown,” but still good enough for Carlos Mencia to rob for his act.

    • Timotheus permalink
      October 22, 2015 1:30 pm

      Well, shit. I spent the last 5 hours coming up with insults in iambic pentameter.

      I guess I’ll just get drunk and read them aloud to my screensaver of Raggi the Last. Don’t mind me.

      • October 23, 2015 1:42 am

        Hi Kent!

        No. No, wait…

  102. Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
    October 22, 2015 6:12 pm

    Raggs is looking for material. I think I may submit the Devourer of Seamen nautical adventure.

    The depredations of the seamen-devouring Kraken-Evolved Nautical Terror are casting a pall over the barrier islands

  103. Papers and Paybot permalink
    October 23, 2015 6:11 am

    When Matthew and Steve are available again there may be further action arising from this thread. In the meantime: read, comprehend, think, THEN post.

    • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN @ DRAGONSFOOT permalink
      October 23, 2015 10:29 am

      ScottyTooHotty sez, “That this thread was discovered to be started by a troll who appears to have mental problems and wasn’t immediately locked after that discovery is pretty baffling anyway, IMO.”

      HAHAHAHAHAHA! Talkin’ ’bout KENT!

      I do have to give Kent credit where credit is due. He managed to get Frank Metzer to come back and take a big mushy dump with backspray all over Dragonsfart’s face!

    • October 23, 2015 10:12 pm

      The proper attitude in a moderator, if you ask me: smouldering contempt for the dribbling hordes whom, by your grace, are permitted to befoul the lowest tier of your ivory tower with their chunderings. Remind them always that they can’t even think properly without you, and leave them wondering where the hammer will fall… it is after all much safer to be feared than loved.

  104. Captain Kirks Dick Blood permalink
    October 23, 2015 11:03 am

    My impression, at least a year or two ago, was Frank was one of the worshiped icons there. Did he fall out of favor? I don’t usual read the “legends” threads. Did the DF demo switch over to Raggi and Zak faithful while I was out somewhere pretending to have a life or busy with my phoney baloney job?

    • L'il Timmy permalink
      October 23, 2015 11:42 am

      Well, there was a big scrum on Dragonsfart with the TSR guys versus the alehouse guys back at the end of may/beginning of June. If you go to DF General Discussion and go back to page 8 or 9 or so, you will see a whole block of locked threads from that time. We talked about it here at the time, but you probably had a real life or something.

      I think this thread is what started it all, this is page 8. Lots of fur flying before this, but here EOTB accuses Frank of ruining TSR and D&D, about halfway down the page when he qoutes and responds to Mentzer (who goes by ExTSR):

      http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=70325&start=210

      Shortly after this Frank (and a few drones) very publicly ragequit the forum.

  105. Captain Kirks Dick Blood permalink
    October 23, 2015 2:53 pm

    Ah, thanks, Timmy me boy! I suddenly recall seeing a bit of that. I think at the time I was too busy staring slack-jawed and glassy eyed at the Jaquays thread (this was before Jenner exploded all over the media like a Peter North facial, making it normal for a beyond-middle aged man to decide he’s a Gorgon, um, I mean chick), or maybe I was plugging myself into The Matrix and calling out Blooey’s name in empty chat-play rooms.

    I think I posted something about it here a year ago or so, but just go look at some Frank gameplay footage from some con over at Youtube. It’s boring as hell. Drooling mouth breathers occasionally perking up and throwing out a chuckle now and again while Frankie tells them what they are doing. The drizzling shits.

  106. October 23, 2015 11:50 pm

    By the way, I’ve been meaning to ask for a whole: SCOTT, what’s your beef with the Warhammer?

    • Scott's Friend permalink
      October 24, 2015 5:36 pm

      Scott is the only cool guy in this place.

      • October 25, 2015 3:39 am

        That’s sweet. Everyone should have a friend like you.

    • October 25, 2015 1:36 am

      I don’t have a beef, I’m just baffled by the paragraphs of exegesis of what seems like jumped-up fanfic. I’ve been loaned some of these books, and the ones I’ve seen are not good. Their writers hitting Terry Goodkind level seems aspirational.

      I like WFRP 1e — warts and all, it’s a whole cool game in one book — and its setting as much as anything in the gaming world. If I were going to run WFRP, I’d just grab that book and ignore everything else. It works just fine and the grotty setting is a lot of fun if you have buy-in. I think the Crapsack World element has become vastly overstated over the years and isn’t entirely supported by the main rulebook, but that’s another discussion.

      The Enemy Within is fun but it requires a group tolerant of railroading. The relatively open-ended Death on the Reik portion of The Enemy Within is the best part and is probably the most fun I’ve ever had running a published adventure. I’m not entirely sure how any PC who makes it out of Castle Wittgenstein is supposed to be well-adjusted enough to deal with the court politics of Power Behind the Throne, which (along with Shadows) I think is overrated. But the wheels fly completely off after Power so whatever.

      I don’t like the WFB/2e setting at all. AT ALL.

      • October 25, 2015 3:36 am

        OK. Thanks for sorting that one out.

        You’re right about the weird disconnection between the main rulebook and everything else in the Hogshead line. Supposedly it’s something to do with the core team trying to get their precious baby former project back in to print, but I’m buggered if I know what said project was called.

        I’ve never actually played The Enemy Within, for my sins. Every time I try to do something other than city sandbox in Marienburg I find myself wondering why I’m bothering.

        WFB/WFRP 2e is what it is. I don’t despise it, but I prefer Boxtree-era shitty tie-in novels to Black Library shitty tie-in novels. Goodness knows why I’m so attached to them at all: chalk it up to them being my trash of choice as an adolescent and my subsequent development being deeply arrested, or something of that ilk.

      • October 25, 2015 5:36 am

        Could one of you old fogeys explain to me the difference between the two settings? They kind of seem identical to my ignorant eyes, maybe a bit more grimderp and overly detailed in the case of 2e.

      • October 26, 2015 1:11 am

        2e has the colour-coded Colleges of Magic, integrated into Imperial society. WFRP grogs hate this because they were used to the original schools of magic (Petty, Battle, Demonology, Elemental, Illusionist, Necromantic and Druidic) and because it’s tied into the Tom Kirby era in which all those -children- were encouraged to buy into Warhammer.

        2e has the regional careers like Norse Berserker or Estalian (Tilean?) Diestro, which suggest the division of the world into discrete factions with their own unique rules. WFRP grogs hate this because they were used to the generic careers that appeared in all nations and understood that you didn’t need rules to play an Estalian (you needed a horrible ‘Allo ‘Allo accent, obviously), and because it’s tied into the Tom Kirby era and blah blah blah.

        2e is explicitly set in the post-Storm-of-Chaos world. WFRP grogs hate this because the Storm of Chaos was a poorly-engineered cop-out and WFRP doesn’t need and isn’t really about big epic shit like the Lord of the End Times and the Champion of Sigmar going head to head with the fate of the free world in the balance.

        2e doesn’t have Fimir or Zoats or Sea Elves in it. WFRP grogs hate this and they are right to do so, because at least those things were things that we hadn’t seen in every other fantasy RPG since the dawn of time. (Even the Sea Elves represented a more complete sub-Tolkien scribble than the usual “they live in the woods and they’re a dying race blfffffffffffft” dribble.)

        BUT Scott really doesn’t like it and is likely to give a more entertaining answer. The floor is yours.

      • October 26, 2015 5:04 pm

        I don’t understand why they axed Fimir and Zoats. Models too large to encourage massive sales for WFB? Those dudes were sweet and, yes, a step away from what everyone else had.

      • October 26, 2015 10:53 pm

        http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2014/04/07/bizarre-bestiary-fimir/

        Poor rules design, cost of metal miniatures and, apparently, 80s Brit-gamers not being down with the old Rape Culture (wishful thinking and historical revision on the author’s part, I fear).

      • October 28, 2015 5:42 pm

        Was the elimination of the Fimir in the 80s instrumental in disseminating the idea of Rape culture from the fictional world of Warhammer Fantasy to our own decades later? If so, when can we expect a progressive-authoritarian led Skaven panic?

      • October 28, 2015 7:48 pm

        I don’t really mind the elimination of Fimir and Zoats .. the Fimir were super cool and I’m surprised they haven’t been WFB-ized into an army in some big metaplot Event, and the Zoats were kinda meh, but neither was a load-bearing setting element.

        I *do* particularly dislike:

        * The Colleges of Magic from Realms of Sorcery. The establishment of Empire-wide “Colleges” headquartered in one city implied to me a level of Imperial centralization that was directly opposed to one of the Big Ideas of the original setting, which was modelled after the Holy Roman Empire and which was accordingly centered on fractious Electors.

        * The Emperor in the original canon was thus a weak ruler, an actual smiling drooling idiot, as opposed to a Griffin-riding master general and super stud.

        * The Bretonnians went from poxy inbred Frenchmen, essentially a direct parody of every cliche an English game author could apply to the French, to this fucking stupid Arthurian pastiche.

        * Chaos in the original setting was either creeping rot from within (cultists, Skaven) (in which no one believed) or some warping horde (in which no one believed) hitting faraway outposts in forsaken northern Kislev or cast-off Beastmen (in which no one believed) lurking in the darkest forests, as opposed to something that fields fucking armies.

        * Daemon ARMIES. Jesus.

        The original setting was tonally very different than the WFB setting with which the mechanically superior WFRP 2e had to comply, losing a lot of the specific character of the Old World that us old folks were used to.

        It went from a baroque, grotty setting to one in which every faction operates openly and is weaponized. WFB was built to sell armies, WFRP was built by whatever syphilitic happenstance happened to produce such a cool game. There’s a thin veneer of pandering “grim” on WFB but every faction has to have an army and generals and all that horsehit, which is just way different.

        I understand *why* it happened – GW needed to sell miniatures and their licensees had to adhere to the background established to do just that – I simply happen to not like it.

        I could talk about this a long time, but that’s what jumps off the top of my head.

      • October 28, 2015 7:53 pm

        Oh, and I absolutely loved the WFRP 2e magic system, thought the Chaos element was implemented perfectly, but it’s very hard to back-engineer into a non-College campaign. So it’s just easier for me to stick with WFRP 1e, where you’re not really expected to have magic-using characters around anyway.

      • October 29, 2015 10:57 am

        While we’re Warhammerfagging: I present the weird schizo tech from fourth edition onwards where the Bretonnians are still reluctant to embrace any device more complex than the trebuchet while the neighbouring Empire have fucking steam-powered tanks.

        I think the degree to which you’re prepared to put up with this stuff depends heavily on when you came in. If you were around in the Eighties you saw the mutation from WFB 2e (skirmish scale wargaming with grab bags of semi-random figures, pretty much anything goes) through 3e (the start of proper army lists, although with a lot of overlap and combinations rather than the One Army Book To Rule Them All model) and into 4e (full Kirby, Warhammer Armies books, the mental stats disappear and WFRP is farmed out to Hogshead and left to rot for a decade). I came in during the decade of rot and so was already accustomed to inferior modern background before picking up the by-now-obsolete WFRP 1e. Undoubtedly cooler, but I’m not any more attached to it than I am the other sort.

      • November 2, 2015 5:38 pm

        This WFRP 1e vs. 2e debate has been most enlightening. As someone who’s eyed hungrily eyed the 1e Hogshead tome in my penniless, pre-filesharing days, and only really got into WFRP via 2e, I must say some 2e-isms (Imperial Colleges of Magic, action hero Emperor) bothered the hell out of me too because, here’s the thing, I *like* the crapsack world of toothless peasants and generalized Medieval caricature plus gallows humor.

        Others don’t bother me quite as much. Bretonnians being Arthurian pastiches instead of French caricatures — hell, why not both? Chaos, Skaven and Daemon armies; I can see how they’re more effective opponents when kept rare and elusive, though I must say there’s something enticing about beginning a campaign this way and gradually escalating to full-blown WFB madness.

        I’ve often considered shaking the baggage and using the basic premises (Medieval picaresque in a fantasy world that’s bound to end) with some other system. But really, while games like DCC and the recent Shadow of the Demon Lord nominally incorporate the idea of starting as a truly average caricaturally Medieval putz like a Camp Follower of Rat Catcher, they mostly pay lip service to the idea with a single-session thing that doesn’t really provide the “OMG I can’t believe my character is a fucking peasant” factor that our group enjoyed so much.

        I still intend to give my “2e rules, 1e setting” WFRP game a try some day. 1e had some great adventures. Now if only I can find the time and discipline to stitch them together into a functional sandbox.

      • November 3, 2015 2:33 pm

        I think the only real tough part is adapting the magic system. Other than that you really only need the 1e setting stuff. I *think* I have an extra 1e book in my basement I can send if you want to use it.

      • November 4, 2015 4:21 pm

        During your next meth mania, maybe you could tackle this adaptation? Or Dwarf-Land. I’ll let you choose. Or Dwarf-Land set in the World’s Edge Mountains, which if we’re picking late-era Warhammer scabs turned out not to be so on the edge of the world…

      • November 3, 2015 7:47 pm

        Maybe we could treat each “school” as a magic skill/discipline pertaining to that particular Wind of Magic?

  107. L'il Timmy permalink
    October 24, 2015 12:23 pm

    Ummm….

    https://plus.google. com/112262093672917983853/posts/UxuV3MAvKrv

    (delete the space between the dot and the com)

    How many cumshots has this delivered to the Raggi faithful already?

    THIS is D&D!!!!!!

  108. Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
    October 26, 2015 6:30 am

    Got a comment languishing in moderation limbo (curse my html coding!), so I’ll just do the simple cut-and-paste:

    http://lotfp.blogspot.com/2015/10/looking-for-few-short-lotfp-adventures.html?m=1

    The spice must flow, so send some product! I’d throw in my lot with Raggs, but I paid Blooey three grand to join Team Polyhedron.

    • October 26, 2015 12:36 pm

      “Completed drafts to be delivered before the end of November, final drafts including revisions before end of December.”

      He forgot to mention what year he’s talking about. This is a Raggi schedule after all.

  109. Captain Kirks Dick Blood permalink
    October 26, 2015 5:58 pm

    Could we get a bedcheck on Kunto? Maybe Von or somebody else on the other side of the pond can ring up the UK housing authority and get his location info. I know he usually pops back up with a lame socko after every humiliation, but this one was pretty bad. He might actually have been dead for days now, but those low income flats are pretty stinky to begin with and he might go unnoticed until they realize he isn’t sending in his Dole paperwork on the reg.

    Speaking of Kuntington, I sure miss the old Kunt who called us “cunts” a lot. I was watching Sexy Beast, and it’s all “Cunt cunt cuntity cunt cunt” which reminded me of that little Mick shit. His “cuntspeak” dropped off steadily since my affectionate, cutesy little nickname* for him 😦

    * (Timmy can search for citation on that).

    • October 26, 2015 10:57 pm

      Kent doesn’t live in the UK. Irish independence and all that. Hands are tied. No interference beyond the Pale…

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      October 27, 2015 3:17 am

      A bed check on Brandoch Durr Hurr? Man, that’s just asking for a D100 SAN roll. It’s safe to assume that any check of his crusty, vermin-infested bed would reveal Kent getting spit-roasted by two old, scabby, half-blind winos, or maybe the crew of a particularly scurvy tramp steamer would be running a train on his ass.

      Fuck the bed check, I miss Blooey!

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        October 27, 2015 12:03 pm

        Notice El Kunto’s wording in his original flounce on this thread:

        Goodbye IMMATURE WANKERS it’s back to Herodotus and Homer for me thank GOD you dumb cunts.

        Notice how he doesn’t write that he will go back to reading Herodotus and Homer… those two must be the grotty vagrants who are spit-roasting him. Kent is a hobosexual, he likes to get railed by dirty old tramps who drink aftershave.

        The alternative explanation is that he’s crammed Herodotus’ collected histories up his Kenthole while deep-throating a bust of Homer… that would make him a homersexual.

      • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
        October 28, 2015 6:19 am

        I fear it’s no longer beds we need to check for Blooey but garbage dumpsters, roadside ditches and shallow graves!

        Sigh! 😦

    • L'il timmy permalink
      October 27, 2015 8:54 am

      The magic power of Google shows that Kent has been called a cunt since at least 1976; however, the more recent moniker “Kunt” is indeed credited to the Dickblood Foundation.

      • Captain Kirks Dick Blood permalink
        October 27, 2015 6:08 pm

        Thenk yew! (starts to run victory lap, but trips and starts crying)

  110. Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
    October 27, 2015 10:48 pm

    Any Dragonsfooters lurking around? I found an answer to the First Edition thread about the book from which David Sutherland cribbed his MM dinosaur illustrations:

    http://chasmosaurs.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/vintage-dinosaur-art-dinosaurs-and-more.html?m=1

    I’d post there, but I can’t be arsed setting up a profile.

  111. FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
    October 28, 2015 6:16 am

    I just want to take a quick temperature of the room. Do we all still agree Oakes Spalding is a wretched cunt?

    http://mahoundsparadise.blogspot.com/2015/10/video-tuesday-rob-roy-turns-traitor.html

    • October 28, 2015 8:22 pm

      Unrelated, because I’m not going to plumb that blog for context, but the end swordfight in Rob Roy is probably my favorite boss fight in history. (My understanding is that SCA types have an issue with it but they have enough crosses to bear without my contention.)

    • October 29, 2015 10:21 am

      Wow.

    • Xartan Tsauggua permalink
      October 31, 2015 9:19 am

      Yes Oakes Spalpeen is still the worst – why cant he just stick to D&DG like the rest of the blowsr? Also Liam Neeson only successful actor to come out of Krull greatest D&D movie of all time – not exactly a lightweight!

  112. October 28, 2015 8:19 pm

    Kent, your blog is removed again so I can’t ask you there. Did you ever get around to reading any Robert Aickman?

    • Kent's Fantasy Forum Moderation Team permalink
      October 28, 2015 11:27 pm

      We’re going to move this topic from the ‘General Discussion’ sub-forum to the ‘Literary Horror’ sub-forum.

  113. Captain Kirks Dick Blood permalink
    October 30, 2015 12:33 pm

    Gamer/blOwSR costume ideas for Halloween:

    Zak and Mandy as a meatball and a bowl of spaghetti. Oh!

    Any other costume ideas for the rest of the blowhards?

    • Bigby's Affirrmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      October 30, 2015 1:16 pm

      Post bukkake party, Kent can go as a jar of mayonnaise.

      Raggi can chain Scrap Princess to his dais and go as Jabba.

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      October 30, 2015 1:27 pm

      I also like the idea of Pundejo dressing up as Aguirre, screaming at a bunch of monkeys as he drifts into oblivion.

      Alternate costume for Raggi: Baron Harkonnen, because the motherfucking spice must flow!

    • October 31, 2015 8:00 am

      Zak should dress up like a neurotic filth-spattered emanciated tattooed hipster with a hitler hairdoo wearing a festive top hat.

      Raggi should go as Tsattoguah. Pundit should go as Rune Magick-Goebbels as portrayed by Breyvik.

      Tenkar should go as overweight Judge Dredd.

    • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
      October 31, 2015 6:21 pm

      I think Geoffey is wearing his easy access shorts tonight and inviting the kiddies to reach in and grab his Tootsie Roll!

    • L'il Timmy permalink
      November 1, 2015 11:36 am

      James Masileiwskuy as John C. Wright.

      YDIS as Walter Cronkite.

      GOPagan as George Clinton.

      Matt Finch as a Copyrite Lawyer.

      RPGPlagiarist Tarnowski as a Sari-wearing transvestified Prof. Phil Barker.

      …and kent as the Beaver.

  114. FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
    October 31, 2015 6:23 pm

    Well, Scott Walker is officially out of the GOP presidential race. I guess that’s the GOPagan bump for ya!

  115. Telly Saliva permalink
    November 2, 2015 4:59 pm

    I am going to cut all your hair off, lick your bald head and then bash your brains in.

  116. What Are Women Good For in the Modern Age? (if anything) permalink
    November 2, 2015 5:31 pm

    Asses

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      November 3, 2015 5:44 am

      Looks like Durr Hurr was passed up for promotion, losing a full professorship at Southern Hibernian Institute of Technology to yet another woman.

  117. ... Besides Asses? permalink
    November 2, 2015 5:37 pm

    Ball gag holder.

  118. Why Do We Love Women So? permalink
    November 2, 2015 6:39 pm

    Because the Devil designed their butt cheeks.

    There is no hope.

    One can only survive a woman’s nagging with a firm chin and tight lips.

  119. Timotheus permalink
    November 3, 2015 2:15 pm

    Well, a slow month in the snoozefest that is the blOwSR just got funny. You can track this thread from the beginning to watch the slow boil and typical sniveling insults that form the Dragonsfart core, but this is where the gauntlet gets hurled:

    What the fuck has science EVER done for humanity? Name one fucking thing!

    http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=72039&start=90#p1688839

    • November 3, 2015 7:50 pm

      Holy shit. What sort of warped basement-dwelling mutant writes this. Please God let it be a colossal troll.

    • Timotheus permalink
      November 4, 2015 2:45 pm

      Runecrow may just surpass GengisDorner and Geoffie Mac as the dumbest poster on dragonsfart. He is doubling down on his “science has done nothing!” psychosis because…we are all going to die anyway. While tacitly acknowledging that science can cure some diseases, and heal and provide some ease to our lives, it still is meaningless because we will all still die at some point.

      • November 5, 2015 12:42 am

        Oh, he’s a nihilist? Well, at least he HAS an ethos…

      • Timotheus permalink
        November 5, 2015 7:34 am

        …and thread locked by that tool Matthew. He has no problem with Frank Mentzer being insulted by his KKK Alehouse buddies as the Man Who Destroyed D&D With His CandyAss BECMI And Also This One Time Pissed on Gary, but let’s not pick on the guy who thinks science is futile because it does not guarantee immortality.

  120. November 3, 2015 7:43 pm

    Check this out. Tarnowski reblogs year-old blog entry taking vague potshots at the OSR (with a sorta valid point about geeks only reading pop culture somewhere in the middle) and gets called on his strawmanning at page 2. I smell a ban coming EOTB’s way, so take the time to read the other post linked in his sig if you haven’t already.

    http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=33425

    • November 4, 2015 1:42 am

      Hahaha Tarnowski’s universally acclaimed (e.g by Tarno and Tenkar and maybe someone else) Dark Albion and Arrows of Indra REINVENT D&D. In 2 weeks I shall give the world a glimpse of Dark Albion, that your DnD may be Reinvented too.

    • Planet, Living, Whatever permalink
      November 4, 2015 2:56 am

      Out of all the cannon works to pick to illustrate a non-point, why would you choose Hemingway? He’s the anti-Gibbons/Joyce. I see nothing much has changed during my sabbatical. Stay you Tarnowski, you goof.

      • Timotheus permalink
        November 4, 2015 6:25 am

        Welcome back, professor. Meet the new Tarnowski and his strawman army of oppressors. Same as the old Tarnowski and his strawman army of oppressors.

      • Planet, Living, Whatever permalink
        November 4, 2015 7:43 pm

        Professor? Hahaa. I wish, academics has the same casualisation problems as everywhere else. Alright, I’m off to destroy the intellectual foundations of western civilisation.

    • Timotheus permalink
      November 4, 2015 6:23 am

      “I motherfucking REINVENT D&D.” – Jon Tarnowski, the RPGPlagiarist.

      This is another classic meltdown, brought on by propogandizing in circles in his ivory tower and using the internet as bible and fact checker. What a dipshit.

      • November 4, 2015 9:50 am

        Reminds me of the time I reinvented masturbation.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        November 4, 2015 9:58 am

        He reinvented B/X into something boring and stupid, he reinvented Indian myth and legend into something lame (way to go, pounding Hanuman, son of the wind, into a Bilbo Baggins shaped hole). He also reinvented plagiarism into game design.

        I expect to see a wholesale revolt after that howler.

    • November 5, 2015 12:09 pm

      “WotC paid Jmal to consult, as well, and even one-upped you by giving him a sort-of column on their website. That stuff doesn’t mean anything, and nobody cared about it.”

      EOTB, you magnificent bastard. Your drive to expose Fraudowski reminds me if a younger, naiver me.

      http://www.therpgsite.com/showpost.php?p=863205&postcount=39

    • Timotheus permalink
      November 6, 2015 10:54 am

      Anybody else get the feeling that Tarnowski is about to claim that the pyramids were built to house the vast fortune he has made from the best rpg product of the last .5 decades?

  121. Timotheus permalink
    November 4, 2015 2:47 pm

    By the way, what is the current body count of game companies that have had their stuff pulled from drivethrurpg because of the Censorship Button? I mean, surely Raggi and Tarnowski were right about the anti-freespeech apocalypse that was coming down on us, right?

    • November 5, 2015 12:43 am

      Give Prince a chance, he hasn’t finished flagging everything on the store as inappropriate yet.

    • November 5, 2015 3:14 am

      That’s it mister! I’m flagging you and I’m flagging you hard. Aces High will go the way of the Dodo! I note this in my oath book.

      Seriously though, I can’t even seem to find the censorship button (am i logged in?). I was expecting a giant flashing red button, with air raid sirens and flashing red lights if you mark something as badwrong. This current measure satisfies neither the outrage brigade nor the freespeecharians. This is just the worst. 2 out of 5 stars.

      • November 6, 2015 6:27 am

        I will tremble in fear of your flags on the day that I make the remotest effort to sell of even promote my shitty non-game. (Did you ask the Decider whether or not to make that reference?)

      • November 6, 2015 8:21 am

        Be wary of those that march under a crimson banner, lest a crimson banner be raised against ye in turn (just as long as you remain wary of treachery from the horses).

    • November 5, 2015 9:42 am

      Yeah, I was just wondering that myself. I guess the world ended because no libertarian alternative to those SJW bastards emerged to sell game files to the masses?

  122. RPGPundbot2014 permalink
    November 5, 2015 9:41 am

    I’ve won the hobby. I’ve defined the OSR. I’ve produced the best RPG product of the last half-decade. You’re all living in Pundit’s World now, bitches!

    http://www.therpgsite.com/showpost.php?p=863142&postcount=153

    • November 5, 2015 9:45 am

      “Half” decade, how modest. Hey John Tarnowski, a/k/a “RPGPundit,” a/k/a “Kasimir Urbanski” on EveryJoe.com, what breathtaking product happened in 2006-10 that got you to add the wiggle room?

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      November 5, 2015 6:23 pm

      Funny, but there’s really no buzz in the gaming world about Dark Albion. There’s a moribund review thread at Dragonsfoot, a DOA thread on Big Purple. Dom occasionally posts a ‘buy some product!’ (I miss Blooey) thread somewhere, but nobody seems all that interested in it.

      Zak and Raggs drank his milkshake before he even stepped into the Dairy Queen. It’s funny how Pundejo loses his shit like this on a regular basis. He’s like a Southern Hemisphere version of Kent, with a better work ethic.

    • Sykirobme permalink
      November 6, 2015 6:30 am

      I love how Mornard tries to get in on the circlejerk, but is roundly ignored.

  123. November 5, 2015 6:08 pm

    Yo bros! Just a lil heads up I know round 2 of my big thought eater Torunament was spposed to start by now (entries were due about 2 weeks ago) but I guess the diy brain trust was busy becaue I didn’t get all the entries I needed to make this an Awesome way to drag out the next 2 months of my blog. Sorry bros. Cant rush gold like we say in porn land

  124. Timotheus permalink
    November 6, 2015 12:12 pm

    Oh, KKK Alehouse, you can run but you can’t hide.

    From Dungeon Dork in their Star Wars episode 7 thread (and you knew this was coming):

    “I’m really disappointed by the addition of “diversity” to the storyline.
    I don’t understand how those themes are necessary in any way.
    All that stuff is fine for the real world and tumblr but it has nothing to do with Star Wars.”

    http://knights-n-knaves.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10751&start=195

    Riiiiiiiight, because every heroic character in the original films looked like they just stepped out from Kampfgruppe Peiper.

    DungeonDork had some strong “where are all the white males” comments in that Vargr1105 thread from a few years ago. Might be time to slutshame him again.

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      November 6, 2015 9:10 pm

      They’ll really freak out when they see the new trailer which reveals who the Big Bad of the entire series has been all along.

    • November 7, 2015 4:19 am

      The original characters were absolutely fine and totally representative of the likely audience, presumably because they were selected with acting ability in mind, not race, as was the barbaric custom at the time. This is clearly unacceptable in these enlightened days, thus the current cast. A politically-correct rainbow of cast-members is in, and by in i mean anyone who questions it gets to be called a racist, thus the new Star Wars. Not to mention as many demographics as possible need to be pandered too in order to generate maximum returns (this was true of the prequels as well). Spice must flow and all that. It is irrelevant, i will still see it since its probably fun.

      • Timotheus permalink
        November 7, 2015 9:58 am

        It is amazing how any time there are other characters besides white males in major roles in a film, cries of political correctness are reflexively generated. I used to think that reflex was limited to certain intellectual enclaves, but I was wrong. Or those enclaves are far larger and more insidious than I thought.

        Is it really beyond your ability to appreciate a story that is not told through the viewpoint of a white male? Do you honestly believe that every single major character that is not a white male is a political statement?

      • PrinceofNothing permalink
        November 7, 2015 1:59 pm

        In response to your questions, 1. no , 2. no, but Star Wars is a product, created to appeal to a optimum number of demographics and generate a maximum amount of revenue. Its not a political statement so much as it is simply clever marketing.

      • I don't want to live on this planet anymore permalink
        November 7, 2015 6:09 pm

        “acting ability in mind” good god prince, have you ideologically swallowed the libertarian load while I was away? You can’t have it both ways. Films can’t be about marketing when minorities are cast and artistically pure when they are not. I’m not sure if you intended to imply that and so I’m cautious but this seems like the kind of lazy thinking you usually try to avoid.

      • November 8, 2015 4:59 am

        Good to see you back Iwlotp.

        Both of you make the mistake of generalising an observation about a single, very commercially driven, very heavily marketed, sequel and another observation about the probable casting process behind the original in an era when the marketing of movies was probably different. Plenty of minority actor casting choices are based on ability, just not all of them, same with majority actor casting choices (e.g Liam Neeson in Battleship is cast based on his ability to pull an audience not his suitability to play a boring captain with a hot daughter).

        If you wish to distill a universal observation from my meanderings I can provide the following axioms for spirited debate and veiled implications of Goebbels-worship.

        1. Casting choices are not always based on acting ability.
        2. Casting based on appeal to a certain demographic seem to be more prevalent now then they were thirty years ago.
        3. Artistic purity in movies as a binary condition is virtually nonexistant. Mainstream movies always have some sort of commercial drive behind them. A debate on the parameters of a granular model of artistic purity is beyond the scope of this silly list.
        4. Star wars has always been a commercial venture but as its popularity increased this hithereto undefined scale has slid even more towards the commercial side.
        5a. The casting choices in Star Wars are therefore probably made with appeal to demographics and pandering/marketing in mind, rather then artistic vision.
        5b. Kent is gay

      • I don't want to live on this planet anymore permalink
        November 8, 2015 5:46 am

        Thanks man, nice to see you around too. I’m eagerly following your Dark Albion review.

        Let’s be fair Prince, this is not the first time inclusion has been described by you as pandering. So excuse my generalisation, I apologise.

        I accept your points. I just think that you are emphasising marketing too much in one case. Let’s not pretend that racial prejudice wasn’t rampart in hollywood’s past. Sessue Hayakawa being a good example. He was the original tough-guy before marketing after WWII necessitated he re-brand to a docile stereotype.

        If you can accept that then my question(s) are: why are politically mobile minorities targeted for exercising their voice when it comes to white pandering? Why do white critics always have the benefit of a doubt?

      • November 9, 2015 1:40 am

        1. I need a more precise definition of white pandering in this context before i feel i can answer that question precisely.
        2. Do they? Would I express the same sentiment about casting Will Smith as the lead in I Am Legend? I am unsure i agree with your premise.

      • I don't want to live on this planet anymore permalink
        November 9, 2015 2:38 am

        1. I would say look at public out-cry of Star Wars vs outcry of minority stereotypes that have become staples. Let’s stick with the docile Asian. Hell, even Bruce Lee got the cold shoulder in hollywood before suburbia adopted him. This comes to a larger question though, do you accept that white pandering is even possible? I mean, in my eyes it has existed in film casting for 70-80 years, give or take. Blackploitation existed for a reason and that reason was black actors were effectively frozen out of mainstream hollywood.

        2. If you can’t see the difference in press between something like Conan or Star Wars vs Kill Bill then I guess you wouldn’t acknowledge there is a problem. I’ll point out that Star Wars made it to the guardian and people defend white critics not as racists but casting as “PC pandering” and other buzzwords. Kill Bill’s criticism is mainly localised to a bunch of specific academic journals written by Asian intellectuals. I think there was a new york times piece but the general outcry at the time was “Asians are too sensitive”. The focus is on the minority is what I’m getting at here.

      • November 9, 2015 3:02 am

        1. Yes. Pandering is possible based on any characteristic, though I must point out that euro/american whites tend have a less strongly developed racial identity compared to ethnic minorities. Blacksploitation is an interesting case but of course its existence cannot be boiled down to a single reason without taking into account financial incentive and myriad other factors.

        2. I rebutte with a simple query, why is everyone so adamant on labelling any white man that voices any neutral/negative opinion on anything involving a minority or a woman as a racist (the word itself now slowly becoming a meaningless buzzword through its overuse, like the word sexist or facist)?

        I must express my ignorance on the marketing of Conan/Star Wars vs Kill Bill since I live in the Netherlands and the marketing is bound to be different, therefore i cannot comment. The perception that the poor minorities are having their grievances ignored whilst the white man gets away with his malignant abuse is not one I share (again, i must stress i live in the Netherlands, things might be different elsewhere). Minorities are generally given protected status and allowed to get away with racist or extremist viewpoints that would invite severe censure had they been white (one need but look at BlackLivesMatter and see that at least this point is shared by both the US and europe). Criticism of said statements is very easily framed as racism by the mainly leftwing media. This was certainly not the case 30 years before, but it is now.

      • I don't want to live on this planet anymore permalink
        November 9, 2015 3:21 am

        1. I’m not talking about racial identity. I’m talking about fears. This is perhaps more of an Anglo-American thing, so I fear I’m using another frame of reference from you. The docile Asian is cultural pandering handed down from yellow peril. This point can be demonstrated: Hayakawa’s roles before WWII and after WWII.

        2. I would say because the context of hollywood history. Inclusion is a technique trying to rectify entrenched prejudice, again such prejudice can be demonstrated, presumably because the equality in Liberté, égalité, fraternité is still a good principle. I also reset the implication that “any” white person is target “any” time they have neutral/negative criticisms.

        Bridge over the River Kwai, while grossly misrepresenting the Japanese as brutal bullies who are inferior to the good ol’ English stiff upper lip, redeems itself through the complex character study of the military officer (i.e Saito and Nicholson). It made humanity universal. I think which is why it is a classic that moderate minority critics correctly point out.

        The star wars criticism lacks any of that depth. I refuse to believe that you can not tell the difference.

      • November 9, 2015 4:11 am

        1. My knowledge of 40-50s american cinematography can be boiled down to a single viewing of Bridge over the river kwai and the longest day, some sci fi B movies and the shitty americanised version of Godzilla. If you speak of pandering to white fear (or at least american fear) then I re-assert that i believe this pandering exists or is possible.

        We now have adequate commonality to debate your original question:

        “why are politically mobile minorities targeted for exercising their voice when it comes to white pandering?”

        I am not sure what the time frame is, so I do not know if I can agree with you that politically mobile minorities are disproporionately critisized in the media whilst white criticism of PC pandering goes comparatively less critisized.

        2. I speak in general terms not universalities, but the criticism is legitimate. I shall assume when you speak of politically mobile minorities being targeted you likewise speak of a general trend, not a universal law.

        I have been a skeptic of using racism (that is to say, selection based on race) to counter racism and I think the jury is still out on it’s effeciveness, but I agree such prejudice certainly existed in the past and since racism is universal will probably still exist now and in three million years.

        I don’t know why we are talking Bridge over the river Kwai, I’m betting that a few chinese, dutch and indonesians would disagree with your assesment of the mercy of japanese troops, but your central premise eludes me. Did the brits use ‘comfort girls’, test biological weapons on the chinese or labour camps? If not, why is the portrayal unacceptable?

        Criticism A (re: pandering) directed against BotrK is illegitimate because it is a work that shows commonality and humanity and has artistic merit whilst Criticism B(re: pandering) directed against Star Wars is illegitimate because it is flimsey and poorly argued?

        I fail to see how this relates to your previous statement, that white critics always (i shall assume generality not universality) get the benefit of the doubt and there is a disproportionate negative focus on the grievances of minorities.

      • I don't want to live on this planet anymore permalink
        November 9, 2015 5:50 am

        Indeed. Last word is yours, if you want it. To sum up:

        1. I would say post 9-11. That’s usually a good time frame. Again, I point out the discrepancy between the coverage of Star Wars to Kill Bill. If you disagree, that’s cool but my opinion is based on evidence. (to dodge accusations of being emotionally deficient)

        2. Inclusion is not racism. That’s going too far I’m afraid. I never said the Japanese were merciful. I’m Molucca, I know the atrocities of the Japanese. I was referring to their portrayal as inferior. The Kwai example was to demonstrate how not every criticism by a white person is called-out on it’s racism. Sometimes it’s complex and the portrayal deep enough that you can move past the obvious. Again, I disagree that generally white critics are always labeled as racists. We could go back and forth about just how many cultural productions are criticised as racist but I don’t feel like it.

        If you feel minorities are being unfair then so be it but I think you are being very selective. As I said, putting too much emphasis on one side vs the other.

      • November 9, 2015 6:28 am

        Last word? I’ll take it!

        1. My knowledge of the marketing campaigns and the controversies surrounding Kill Bill and Star Wars is low, therefore the difference is one I cannot adequately judge. Even if this were true, we are arguing specific examples vs general trends but you have outlined your case so persons more familiar with american media then I may judge the veracity accordingly. No accusations of emotional deficiency and general lack of breeding are warranted.

        2. Inclusion is selection based on race/sex with the intention to offset a perceived bias on selection based on race/sex. So yes, yes it is by defenition racism.
        Whether its a harmful or a beneficial measure depends on whether the perceived bias actually exists, and if it helps to correct said unfair barrier to entry or the causes behind it. History will have to be the judge of that.

        I’ll have to rewatch BotRK (I should do that anyway, it was a good movie), but regardless, I’m afraid if we were serious we’d have to throw Salon and Guardian articles back and forth until one of us collapses into a convulsing heap. But I will end with an observation that if the cast of Star Wars had consisted of black men none here would have critisized it for having too many black men (maybe Kent). I’m sure there are myriad reasons given in Gender Studies classess why its cool for one side to make racist observations like that whilst to another they are verboten, I’m just pointing out a double standard that is by no means exclusive to this site.

        Regardless, thank you for your time and thought-pellets.

    • Kent permalink
      November 7, 2015 11:50 am

      The Star Wars movies are shit but when you’re a kid this is hard to see. In addition American kids are the dumbest on the planet.

      However what is important here is that young white kids are going to be ahead of the curve in realising that the film industry doesn’t give a shit about you, it exists to make money. In this case it makes more money by having a goofy chick pretending to be a fighter and a token black and brown guys elevated to the characters they want to, but now can’t, identify with.

      Hint: any time a girl/women is presented as a fighter the entire movie or tv show is a cynical lie.

      Girls and black kids might be fooled into thinking that the movie industry cares about their cultural boo-hoos but their time will come when they too realise it’s all about money.

      There is something wrong when white kids are called ‘racists’ and ‘trolls’ for acting exctly the same way that idiot college feminists and black rights morons behave every day.

      • Timotheus permalink
        November 7, 2015 1:55 pm

        OK, got it…ONLY WHITE MALES can be the true central characters of a movie. Nothing else is feasible or accurate. Thanks, kunt.

      • PrinceofNothing permalink
        November 7, 2015 2:14 pm

        That’s not what Kent said and you know it.

        I don’t agree with it, in the sense that I don’t believe the statement applies to every movie that gets put out (though the ratio of cynical product to artistic pipedream is likely going to be skewed as fuck in the direction of product), nor do i believe the selection of actors per demographic is based on how well the focus group responds to stimuli, but Kents point is not that only white males can be true central characters. In the above post, the point is that no one can be a true central character because cinema is a cynical lie, and women and minorities are more sensitive to this type of pandering.

        Also Star Wars is good fun.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        November 7, 2015 4:37 pm

        Hint: any time a girl/women is presented as a fighter the entire movie or tv show is a cynical lie.

        This is some funny shit right here. As luck would have it, we had a woman in the dojo with us this morning, purple belt in judo, also a Brazilian jujutsu and muay thai student. She also expressed interest in learning boxing, so I referred her to a friend of mine who coaches it.

        While discussing the advantages to fighting with a lefty grip, she told about sparring with a lefty muay thai instructor, and having to adjust. She gave me a playful kick in the shin which made me glad she was just messing around. On the way back to the Bronx, I was joking with one of the other guys about how we needed to step up our game because there was a new terror in town.

        I’d start a gofundme campaign to fly Kentloaf to NYC just so he could get the shit beaten out of him by her. Let him back up his internet idiocy by putting his syphilis-riddled ass on the line.

      • Kent permalink
        November 7, 2015 5:40 pm

        Physically, mature women who are professional athletes have about the same physique and skill sets as 14-15 year old boys who are still in school but play a sport to a regionally competent standard.

        So for any competent women fighter who was outstanding for a female, you could train hundreds of thousands if not millions of schoolboys to the same standard. This is why we don’t have women on the front lines almost universally, they are physically incompetent at the standard required.

        Any who thinks Rhonda Rowsey will start fighting men (at her own tiny weight) in mma is an idiot. A tranny would knock her out which is why trannies will be prevented from competing; just ask scrap princess.

        Bigby, you have always been and will always be a moron.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        November 7, 2015 6:10 pm

        Oh, Durr Hurr, you wee little hothouse flower, you’re pulling assertions out of your prolapsed ass yet again. You’re even more retarded than Geoffrey… how did you miss out on that ‘Conan would have had the physique of a middle-aged real estate salesman who never did a pushup in his life’ thread before you were banned?

        Rhonda Rousey (could you at least spell it correctly, dumbass?) would wipe the floor with your sorry ass. You asserted that women can’t fight, but there are plenty of women who would destroy you in any of the matters of physical contention.

        As far as women on the front lines, what the fuck would you know about this? The last military campaign fought by your compatriots was the Omagh bombing. I’d wager you’d never even qualify for ranger school, you creampuff.

      • November 7, 2015 7:59 pm

        *Ronda

        I’ve trained with two women who are as close to the pinnacle of women’s grappling as you’re to get outside of the pros (a BJJ black belt and a competitor at Abu Dhabi respectively) and have trained standup with the latter. The black belt at least is way ahead of where I’ll ever be in terms of technique. But I’m sure each of them would tell you the 10,000th best male fighter in the world would annihilate them. I’ve seen them work over frat boys who came in like swinging dicks, but that’s an entirely different thing. It really is a different game.

        Ronda Rousey could kick the shit out of me, but she is in the top .01% of female fighters. She’d never sign for a fight with a man in her weight class, and she’d be right not to do so.

        I’m not endorsing any other bullshit, but there is a very big difference in physical abilities.

      • I don't want to live on this planet anymore permalink
        November 7, 2015 8:36 pm

        I’ve never dabbled in any fighting techniques but reason would dictate that physical ability is not the end-all-be-all when in a fight. Aikido being the primary example where physical ability works against the bigger opponent. So, I fail to see how women are inferior as-a-rule to men.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        November 7, 2015 8:40 pm

        That’s a far cry from Durr Hurr’s statement that women can’t fight. He has a poor grasp on reality- chalk it up to his reclusive habits, epistemic closure, and bad case of Dunning-Kruger.

        If he unwedged his head from his ass, he could join the real world and read up on the Second Peshmerga Battalion or, for a historical example, the Dahomey Amazons, but he won’t do that. He’d rather wallow in his ignorance, indolence, and intolerance.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        November 7, 2015 8:50 pm

        That’s a far cry from opining that women can’t fight, which is what he wrote. Durr Hurr has a poor grasp on reality because of his reclusiveness, his epistemic closure, and a really bad case of Dunning-Kruger.

        As far as women not being on the front lines, he’s ignorant not only of the US service women who have been fighting in a war in which there really weren’t any well-defined front lines, and he sure as hell is ignorant of the Second Peshmerga Unit, who are seeing more front-line action than just about anyone these days:

        http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/female-kurdish-fighters-take-arms-islamic-state-extremists/

        Kent’s not a resident of the real world, he lives entirely in a world of first edition books that he doesn’t really understand, enemies lists composed of harmless forum denizens, and shitty fingerprint-stained sheets of paper that he calls maps. He could unwedge his head from his ass, but he’d rather wallow in his ignorance and indolence.

      • November 7, 2015 11:09 pm

        Aikido is completely irrelevant to any discussion of fighting. It’s a mix of fat dudes with mustaches and LARPers. It’s all this faux-humble-yet-cryptically-badass “I could secretly kick everyone’s ass but I’m too serene and my skills are teh deadly.” Their mythologized founder supposedly went around fighting people, so you know, hop on in, Mary.

        Women can obviously fight. Some women can fight better than most men can fight. Nonetheless, women are physically at a severe disadvantage against men, and even very well-trained women are likely to get the shit kicked out of them by trained men. This isn’t a controversial stance, I promise. I don’t think any woman into fighting would claim otherwise.

      • I don't want to live on this planet anymore permalink
        November 8, 2015 1:22 am

        I like how hyper-masculine everyone gets when talking about fighting. Oh, you called me a girl’s name, siiiiick burn bro. So we can disregard all the, so called, gentle fighting styles because they are inconvenient. Got it. Carry on. lol.

      • November 8, 2015 1:51 am

        Most “fighting styles” that people call “gentle” (and I’m generalizing because I’m not sure what you’re on about, examples would be good) don’t have any documentation that they actually *work* on anyone outside of Benny Hinn-level YouTube videos. And I understand that not everyone WANTS a competitive spotlight, but then those same folks will whisper about all these undocumented streetfights in which their grandmaster participated, or how they saw some guy’s titties explode with a mere pushing hand. Lots of “gentle” people will either hint or outright tell you what they or their grandmaster could REALLY do, but for some reason no one can see them do it. They want the cachet without having to ever prove anything … they want the scars but they don’t want the war.

        So many “grandmasters” (or, more often, their students) talk about how fighting in a ring would cheapen their art, but then they’ll tell stories about street fights in the back alleys of Hong Kong. Or they’ll bitch about how a ring isn’t representative of tr00 fighting, but then they can’t get in there and beat one guy. You don’t get it both ways. Get someone out there to prove something, or serenely disdain fighting and shut the fuck up about it.

        Anyone who wants to see what works can very easily do so. Judo is theoretically “gentle” and it is demonstrably very effective.

        (And I don’t really care about feminization or whatever, I was at a Taylor Swift show two weeks ago and am currently looping “Let It Go.”)

      • Kent permalink
        November 8, 2015 1:55 am

        Scott ‘This isn’t a controversial stance, I promise.’

        Oh it is controversial and because feminists have succeeded in making the equality of female physicality controversial it is pointless addressing other gender issues which are less obviously clear cut.

        Just look at the yale news I posted below to see to what extent feminists have degraded free and sane discussion on campus these days. It has become an issue of sanity and perhaps the biggest mistake is educating more than the brightest 5-10%.

      • I don't want to live on this planet anymore permalink
        November 8, 2015 2:04 am

        Judo is considered a gentle style. A gentle style is any style dedicated to a defensive philosophy. Aikido, Judo, Tai Chi are the main three that I am aware of. Scott, I haven’t lived in an American suburb my whole life. I’m not sure about proof but I’ve witnessed gentle styles spar with other styles and while I admit pradal prav is the most devastating that I’ve seen, Aikido practitioners didn’t seem to get beat as badly as any other style nor their practicers represent your characterisation. So, unless you’ve got something more than just prejudice against styles like Aikido, then I remain unimpressed. As I said, reason would dictate that physical ability is not the end-all-be-all when in a fight.

      • November 8, 2015 5:19 am

        Aikido and Judo are interesting but if they had comparative effectiveness we would see their use in mixed martial arts competitions. I can imagine someone doing Judo but without supplementary training in some sort of standup that involves punching and kicking and the blocking thereof it would be a hard fight given equal weight and training time.

        Physical ability is not the be all and end all of a fight but the disparity in muscle power means that as a woman fighter, even if your co-ordination was better, your opponent is going to punch harder, break your grapples easier, find it much easier to initiate arm locks or sleeper holds or whathave you. If you want to compensate for that you need to train more, and i mean way more.

        I have practiced win-chun Kung Fu for a while and im currently doing MMA, and I have had maybe one ground fight with women where i could not apply my minimal ability and training to attain a top position that would rationally end the fight in seconds if punching is permitted. Stand-up given even half-way equal training time is a joke.

        I think the contention that woman are inferior to men as a rule does not follow inevitably, but to assert that there is not a vast disparity in physical ability or even skill is simply not backed up by the facts. As for female soldiers in front lines, I was under the impression female troops are seldom if ever deployed in the front line but perhaps I am misinformed. Female special forces are nonexistant and if the american goverment wants them the standards of entry need to be lowered dramatically, that should tell one enough.

      • November 8, 2015 6:40 am

        Yay, nerds talking martial arts! 🙂

        BJJ here. I’m a blue belt and a big guy (1.87m and 98kg at 18% fat). Faced with a smaller and more skilled opponent, sometimes, I can compensate for lack of technique with strength, reach and weight. But 9 times out of 10 a more skilled opponent will submit me; it’s a very small gap in skill, that can be bridged by a decent gap in size.

        But of course, pros are mostly about these very small gaps.

        IMHO, YMMV, etc.

      • I don't want to live on this planet anymore permalink
        November 8, 2015 5:38 am

        i don’t care if men can beat women. it’a weird to be proud of that. i’m trying to express that i’m uncertain about physical ability being central to a fighting rubric. this uncertainty stems from styles of fighting which seek to exploit physically dominant opponents. i don’t care if the average male is superior in strength and mass nor do I doubt it. I’m just not sure that it’s a good reason to assert superiority in war and recreation. MMA is a whole other cultural phenomena which I don’t feel like getting into. Only to point out that the rest of the world does not share the American-European obsession.

        If we can reach an agreement that physical ability is not the end-all-be-all then I’m satisfied. I don’t really care and am grossly ignorant beyond that point.

      • Not Logged In permalink
        November 8, 2015 6:31 am

        This is Scott, not logged in. Don’t want to carry on anymore about what forms of kombat are the most mortal, just wanted to say judo is really, really effective and any judo gym will happily demonstrate it … BJJ is pretty much the ground portion of the judo curriculum. If you haven’t, you should read how the Gracies came to develop BJJ originally. (And Rousey is a judoka.)

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        November 8, 2015 8:38 am

        Look, we’re all getting off topic here. The real issue is that Kent is a fucking idiot with no real-world experience who makes sweeping generalizations no backed up by empirical facts, and then applies those false assertions to fantasy fiction.

        Yeah, Kent, we get it, there absolutely can’t be female space samurai ninja wizards zipping around the galaxy in FTL craft using magic powers against giant slug people. Mazel tov, that’ll win you a spot on a tenure track.

      • Timotheus permalink
        November 8, 2015 10:44 am

        “That’s not what Kent said and you know it.”

        A bit snippy, eh? To the point you are telling me what I know. That would be insulting, if you were someone who didn’t indulge in Carcosan pedo-rape fanfic and therefore difficult to take seriously anymore.

        That is exactly what he said, even if you do not comprehend it. He has expressed that opinion several times before, which I initially assumed was his razor troll persona, but I do wonder now.

        And if you didn’t want your opinions above to be catagorized as “any white man not in a leading role is pandering”, then you might occasionally say something besides that, as I Don’t Wanna has pointed out.

      • Kent permalink
        November 8, 2015 10:52 am

        I hasn’t taken long for me to be reminded, without exception, how fucking dumb you are here.

        1. Guys not knowing that even a man would kick the holy shit out a woman of the same size is just an example of how brainwashed and stupid the mob is. It also indicates there is no point in discussing any feminist issues more subtle than that with feminists or their pals, like mealy-mouthed Scott, because they are insane. Training and martial arts is an idiot’s red herring because guys can receive training too.

        2. In the long term it is a good thing that white kids should recognize early in their lives that movies are amoral money making enterprises. There is no avuncular committee looking to give hero-boners to teenagers because they admire them so much.

        3. In the meantime little brown dudes and girls might be fooled into thinking the rich cunts who make movies care about them. Eventually most of them will grow up and realise that is not the case, the rest stay in the arts faculty. Until then queue yale video below which you people are too stupid to comment on.

      • November 8, 2015 12:21 pm

        “Aikido is completely irrelevant to any discussion of fighting. It’s a mix of fat dudes with mustaches and LARPers. It’s all this faux-humble-yet-cryptically-badass “I could secretly kick everyone’s ass but I’m too serene and my skills are teh deadly.””

        I don’t know much about fighting but this describes every aikido enthusiast I have ever met.

        As for Star Wars, women who can fight are hardly the most egregious fantasies presented therein, if fantasies they be. It seems like a strange thing to get your knickers in a twist over.

      • November 9, 2015 2:04 am

        @Tim

        [Carcosa]

        If you are going to smear people based on entirely harmless and indeed peripheral acts and vague association will you be extending that lack of credulity to people who have read or commented or liked my “rape-fanfic” (e.g Von and BLB and maybe my mother) or is this solely used to compensate for a lamentable lack of rhetorical ability?

        [Kent]
        Errant hogwash. You can drag Kent’s peripheral and indeed inconsistent though-pellets from around the web into this in a vain effort to have your point make sense but his above intial opening statement is an assault upon the entire movie industry, therefore the statement ONLY WHITE MAN LEAD OR PANDERING cannot logically co-exist with ENTIRE MOVIE INDUSTRY IS CYNICAL SHIT HA HA I HAVE HAD MY FUN since a universal defamation of the movie industry removes the ability to make artistic works in general.

        [Any white man]

        Have you been reading Shlominus’s copy of Mao’s Red book? I am not responsible for your lack of reading comprehension, your silly confirmation bias or your mob-justice mentality. If there is ambiguity you can always ask a question, like Idwlotp does.

  125. November 6, 2015 11:10 pm

    Having recently issued the pronunciation that Venger was “all right”, I am reminded that the gaming blogs apparently see him at his best. There’s trouble down t’pit of writhing severed limbs, spasming and gesticulating beneath an ulfire sky: https://danharms.wordpress.com/darrick-dishaws-cult-of-cthulhu-bible-and-wikipedia-the-similarities/

    • Timotheus permalink
      November 7, 2015 10:02 am

      “Please.

      Plagiarism is an academic crime.”

      Well no wonder Venger and tarnowski are so tight.

      We linked to this a few years ago when Vengie was just getting popular. Good to have it brought back to the forefront.

      Plagiarize like a boss, hoss!

      • November 7, 2015 2:12 pm

        I wondered if it had turned up before, but hey, it’s the OSR: reduce, reuse, recycle!

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        November 7, 2015 4:41 pm

        What is this world coming to when even satanic cult leaders lack ethics?

        That bit about Venge being the Uwe Boll of occultism was hilarious.

  126. news permalink
    November 7, 2015 1:25 am

    Insane feminist inspired young morons at ‘elite’ (ha) university Yale.

    https://www.thefire.org/yale-students-demand-resignations-from-faculty-members-over-halloween-email/

    and associated videos

    These morons remind me of Zak and False Patrick and their makey-uppy gender pal.

    • November 8, 2015 11:35 am

      Good lord, what a mess. I was under the impression that universities were supposed to be places for argument, improvement and the changing of minds, the whole point being that they are less than a hundred per cent “safe”.

      Instead we’ve arrived at a point where we petition to have people dismissed or “no-platformed” rather than actually arguing with them (the brouhaha surrounding Germaine Greer’s appearance at Cardiff University springs to mind – have you heard about that?). Now, I am a dimwit and a half if ever there was one, but even I know that if you want to put a stop to something you have to go further than clapping your hands over your ears and demanding that it happen somewhere else.

      • I don't want to live on this planet anymore permalink
        November 8, 2015 11:57 am

        Von, please. Have you seen the statistics on sexual assault on campuses? Or the public firing of a head of department for racist e-mails in one of Australia’s leading universities. Yeah, fuck safe spaces. Why should anyone expect to learn in a non-hostile environment? I wonder what would happen if I marked down all my white students on private tuition…

      • November 8, 2015 12:11 pm

        OK, I put my foot in it there. I should have specified intellectual safety. I don’t want people being beaten up, molested or otherwise threatened on campus, or anywhere else for that matter.

        I also don’t want people demanding that a member of staff be fired for having the temerity to suggest that a problematic Halloween costume might be transgressing the new norms and that transgressing and challenging norms is the sort of thing that should go on in a university.

        In much the same way, I think it’s actively bloody stupid to say “Germaine Greer has said nasty things about trans women, we don’t want her saying them HERE where we, the people who disagree with ther can hear them, we want her… saying them somewhere else.” Doing so actively refuses an opportunity to engage with and challenge the disagreeable Ms. Greer and by doing so advance your agenda and cause, which seems counter-productive.

        I hope that seems more reasonable.

        Also, I hadn’t heard about the Australian case. Which university? I’ll look into it.

      • I don't want to live on this planet anymore permalink
        November 8, 2015 12:20 pm

        How far are you willing to take that stance Von? Is dressing in black-face acceptable? What would happen if, in the spirit of this transgression, an arab student dressed up as a jihadist? Justify it anyway you want, the rules don’t apply to same to everyone. Stop feeding Kent. I for one am glad the world is moving on and women/minorities are now socially mobile enough to protest and complain.

        relevant link: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/professor-barry-spurr-resigns-from-university-of-sydney-after-email-leaks-20141217-129kmw.html

      • November 8, 2015 12:47 pm

        Context and rationale matter. Off the top of my head I can’t think of a point that’d be made by blackface or jihadist costumes but I’m sure there’s a context in which a point can be made by someone or other. Maybe something in a crudely ironic line, dressing up as “the scariest thing in modern America?” I’d be more worried about the personal implications for the Arabic student (i.e. getting lynched, by anyone) than the significance of the costume, to be honest.

        “Justify it anyway you want, the rules don’t apply to same to everyone.”

        Indeed not. In real terms not everyone can get away with challenging anyone’s point of view. That’s disappointing, often dangerous, and not a desirable state of affairs at all.

        “I for one am glad the world is moving on and women/minorities are now socially mobile enough to protest and complain.”

        Same, and I think/hope we got this far by arguing with each other, rather than refusing the arguments by no-platforming or firing for the first offence. That’s all I’m really trying to say here.

        Professor Spurr seems to be a repeat offender, as it were, but are we talking about private correspondence or what? I have both heard and said some things which would be beyond the pale if they were said to students’ faces or if they practically affected the conduct of staff towards students, and I have been reprimanded on the few occasions on which I have erred. It is not impossible to shut your gob and do your job and keep your attitudes to yourself when there is a risk of doing harm and no reward in terms of learning.

      • I don't want to live on this planet anymore permalink
        November 8, 2015 1:03 pm

        That’s my point, Von. If an arab student dresses offensively to white people, his physical safety is in danger. If a white student dresses up as Princess Pocahontas or whatever the fuck then you want to jump on the people protesting? So you would stifle the voices of women and minorities in the name of debate? You need fairness in order to debate. Doesn’t seem like there’s adequate fairness to me. Until both sides learn to compromise then we’re gonna see more and more ideological entrenchment. Maybe debate will happen after some violence but then again, Ferguson or the London riots don’t hold much hope of that either.

        Where or who those comments were made is irrelevant. When you are head of department, with the final say on grades, grants, and thesis communities then any racist attitude means that the university is not an intellectually free environment, does it?

      • November 8, 2015 1:43 pm

        “If an arab student dresses offensively to white people, his physical safety is in danger.”

        Yep, no argument so far.

        “If a white student dresses up as Princess Pocahontas or whatever the fuck then you want to jump on the people protesting?”

        Depends how they’re protesting. If they’re demanding that said white student be expelled – that’s not on. It is not AS not on as physically attacking your Arabic guy, obviously, but it is not on. I’m not saying that your white student should automatically get away with it, I’m saying they should not be forbidden to do it. They should do it and they should face the consequences of doing it and those consequences should not extend to actual harm. Ensuring that those consequences do not extend to actual harm for your Arabic guy – that’s the hard part and I’m not denying that we have a problem there.

        “So you would stifle the voices of women and minorities in the name of debate?”

        Er… no? Because that… would prevent the debate, which is exactly what I don’t want.

        If the voices are saying “we demand that Professor Whoever resign at once”, I hear them say that and I answer “but that doesn’t allow Professor Whoever the chance to mend their ways, and it doesn’t allow you as the injured party to actually try and change the way the injuring party behaves and make the world a better place in a small way.” I’m not trying to stifle voices. I’m trying to argue with what they’re saying because I don’t think what they’re asking for is as helpful as they think it is.

        Ordinarily I’d say “now, obviously I’m sufficiently white and male that I have a certain degree of luxury in saying this”, but let’s flip that one around and talk about disability or sexuality for a while. Suddenly I’m not on Team Undeniably Privileged any more, and I -still- want to talk to people rather than have them removed from the conversation.

        “Until both sides learn to compromise then we’re gonna see more and more ideological entrenchment.”

        This… is not incompatible with what I’m trying to say. Digging in and refusing to engage is a sign that compromise is lacking.

        “Where or who those comments were made is irrelevant.”

        Eeeeh… I’m not sure. I think it’s possible to hold a belief or attitude and overrule it for the sake of being professional. This is why codes of conduct and the like exist, surely? I don’t think many people can DO that to the required standard and so this Spurr fellow is probably committing some sort of misconduct, but it’s at least possible not to.

        “When you are head of department, with the final say on grades, grants, and thesis communities then any racist attitude means that the university is not an intellectually free environment, does it?”

        I suppose not, but then if you have a hierarchy at the top of which there is someone who has the final say on who gets to participate in the community, the community is not a free environment ANYWAY, whether they’re racist or not. If I were in your shoes I’d be taking me to task for my unrealistic appraisal of university cultures, which fails to take into account the power dynamics involved, and pointing out the foundational flaw in my argument. 😉 Anyway, if the ruling hierarch brings their racism to work with them and allows it to influence their working practice, that’s another layer of, well, unfreedom and that is indeed shitty.

      • I don't want to live on this planet anymore permalink
        November 8, 2015 2:15 pm

        Whew, status-quo maintained. Arab guy is in admitted danger and white student faces the consequences, whatever that is…I’m yet to see such consequences outside of social-shaming…which can’t be done anymore.

        Change their behaviour? Von, please enlighten me on how a debate is going to change a member of staff’s behaviour. Again, what if I started failing all my white students who are on private tuition? Do you think I’d get a second-chance. What do you think my consequences would be? I firmly believe that I’d never teach another tutorial, publish another paper, or get a job as a janitor in another university ever again.

        Disabled? Okay, let’s talk about that. Are you familiar with the medical-gaze? I’m not sure what that has to do with universities but whatever.

        If you think a racist can be professional then I don’t think we can see eye-to-eye on the Spurr deal. By-the-by they had 2 years worth of racist e-mails. Some sent to ex-facualty members (about other departments), some sent to people on the committee to advise the education minister on the national k-12 English curriculum, and some privately. The source was never named beyond a “peer” and the paper with the evidence agreed not to publish anymore emails in a settlement. What else he said and about who and to whom will forever be a mystery. I don’t think it was flowers and tolerance though. Still, as a “chinky-poo” I’m glad he’s not there should I ever get a job offer from that university.

      • November 8, 2015 3:04 pm

        “Change their behaviour? Von, please enlighten me on how a debate is going to change a member of staff’s behaviour.”

        Depends on the member of staff. Maybe I’m wrong and people never ever change their minds and mend their ways when confronted with evidence that their behaviour is harmful or at least shitty… but I don’t believe that.

        “Again, what if I started failing all my white students who are on private tuition? Do you think I’d get a second-chance. What do you think my consequences would be? I firmly believe that I’d never teach another tutorial, publish another paper, or get a job as a janitor in another university ever again.”

        You’d be shafted and that wouldn’t be fair or just or worthwhile. Were you expecting something else?

        “Disabled? Okay, let’s talk about that. Are you familiar with the medical-gaze? I’m not sure what that has to do with universities but whatever.”

        I’ve read ‘The Birth of the Clinic’, aye. Field’s yours: what would you like to make of it?

        “If you think a racist can be professional then I don’t think we can see eye-to-eye on the Spurr deal.”

        If that’s the way it has to be, so be it. I’m of the opinion that one can leave one’s shittiest ideas at the door and toe the line for whatever reason, call it professional ethics if you like. I understand why you might not be, but if synthesis is impossible I can only hope we’ve educated and/or entertained the audience.

      • I don't want to live on this planet anymore permalink
        November 8, 2015 3:38 pm

        Well, I await the evidence that debate can and does change behaviours. Meanwhile all the foot-holes gained that I am aware of are due in large part because of the civil rights and radical student movements. Both of which used protest and social shame as effective tactics. I know I certainly haven’t been able to get through to anyone on the internet, ever.

        No I wouldn’t be expecting anything else. Just pointing out how you argue for second-chances when there is a glaring prejudice to who gets those second-chances. The decks are stacked and your arguing for the house.

        I find it compelling. Whenever Foucalt talks about his ideas from during his clinical years, that’s his most persuasive. Sad that it gets lost in his epistemological claims (of course no one attacks Mannheim or Scheler for making the same claims). I’m asking you though, as a disabled person how you find the concept in relation to your lived experience. I mean, I’m ignorant of institutional prejudice against the disabled outside of Foucalt so in those terms I’ll best understand your position.

      • November 9, 2015 1:49 am

        “I know I certainly haven’t been able to get through to anyone on the internet, ever.”

        Whereas I have, or think I have, and people have certainly gotten through to me. For instance: I bow to the historical record, and accept that public naming and shaming is as effective or more at advancing causes and changing the ways of the world.

        BUT: let’s go back to the Christakises (Christaki?) for a moment. I argue that neither of them deserves the kicking they are receiving. 740 people jumped down their throats because of a message which respectfully asked people to think about the behaviours, policies and ethical characters of their institution. No slurs, no abuse – perhaps a certain weary-eyed conservative “what’s happening to the world I thought I knew?”, which is a tired question with the equally tired answer “it’s changing and you can’t get away with kicking downwards as much as you used to, suck it up”.

        BUT: that doesn’t invalidate the question. Not when we’re talking about the responsibilities of a university to a) educate people and develop their thinking and b) care for those people’s well-being at the same time, and how to balance those. It’s a good, practical question to ask given Yale’s remit, and there is an undeniable difference between them and the likes of Spurr.

        There is a hair-trigger tendency in all strongly politicised communities. People whose hearts are in the right place get the fire in the head and jump down people’s throats, calling for resignations and reprimands and retribution. I am of the opinion that asking a legitimate and useful question is not as bad as putting one’s foot in one’s mouth and saying one stupid thing about female scientists in a public venue and THAT is not as bad as making repeated and bizarre claims that all of the elfgamers one doesn’t like have Asperger’s Syndrome, and… you get the idea. Some things do not deserve the amount of dogpiling that they get, and the dogpiling sometimes escalates to a heads-on-spikes level which isn’t warranted or helpful. It’s difficult to learn anything when people are shouting at each other – but I do accept that sometimes you have to shout to be heard.

        The ethics involved are situational (have you read Badiou’s Essay on the Understanding of Evil?) rather than strictly deontological. In the given situation, where all this started, I do not think that either of the Christakises should resign. Nor do I think that their resignation will actually help the cause of those calling for it. Neither do I think they have actually done anything wrong.

        Anyway, I talk too much (apparently) and that’s more apparent when I’m typing this stuff out in OpenOffice and can see the word count spiralling. What else do I need to say? I recognise and acknowledge the prejudice involved in the giving of second chances. We fix that by giving more second chances, not fewer.

        I’ll get back to you on the disability stuff in another thread if that’s OK.

      • I don't want to live on this planet anymore permalink
        November 9, 2015 2:50 am

        I don’t know Von. I can’t be partisan in this situation and perhaps that is where fault line is. I don’t expect they’ll loose their jobs. I don’t think anybody seriously does and I’d be shocked if it did happen. I don’t think an anti-racism position has that much political power yet. You might be right though. All I’ll say is that I’d sleep more comfortably at night in a world were skin colour is irrelevant. I’m not going to loose sleep over a bunch of elites getting bloody noses in the process.

      • November 10, 2015 1:46 am

        ” I can’t be partisan in this situation and perhaps that is where fault line is.”

        I wouldn’t expect you to. I have the luxury of privilege in this case. Feel free to hold this one over me if and when I knot my knackers over autism rights or something.

        “All I’ll say is that I’d sleep more comfortably at night in a world were skin colour is irrelevant.”

        I would lose nothing by living in this world. Rock on.

        “I’m not going to loose sleep over a bunch of elites getting bloody noses in the process.”

        Fair enough. I’m as concerned about Team Social Justice undermining themselves by looking trigger-happy and volatile and feeding into the rhetoric that Prince likes to belch out. We’re basically on the same side here, I hope, and disagreeing over tactics.

      • I don't want to live on this planet anymore permalink
        November 9, 2015 3:05 am

        P.S: I mean come on Von, this is the woman who said (paraphrasing from memory) “Yeah, I appropriate South-Asia culture but I really, really like it!”. That’s the level of concern for racial prejudice she has. Blackface is okay because I really, really like rap btw.

    • Kent permalink
      November 8, 2015 12:41 pm

      –brouhaha surrounding Germaine Greer’s appearance at Cardiff University springs to mind, have you heard about that?)

      No. I can google it.

      Immaturity in students is invading Europe in waves from the U.S. The problem seems to be that academics or anyone who opposes feminist bullshit can get jacked these days through ten thousand idiots piling on, calling for them to lose their jobs. So we see see spineless reactions from academics who themselves from the same breed are probably only slightly less immature and foolish.

      I can’t see it lasting though because in the real world since those Atlantic articles there is mostly loathing for feminists and their kind in online reaction outside of academia.

      Of course businesses will still gladly continue to fire someone who gets piled on for opposing pc bullshit as long as that still raises their profile/profits.

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      November 8, 2015 6:09 pm

      The real takeaway here is that Kent is obsessed with this issue because he has a real inferiority complex wrt Zak. He turns his rheumy gaze across the western ocean and his gaze alights on Harkness Tower, and he sees Zak’s head crowning it, that stupid not-quite-mohawk piercing the Connecticut sky. Kent once idolized and lusted after Zak, and his rejection has led him to the sort of hatred that only unrequited passion and envy can produce.

      Kent, languishing in obscure Southern Hibernia Institute of Technology and realizing that Zak has outmatched him in every category, makes a feeble attempt to denigrate the prestigious bastion of prestige that is Zak’s alma mater by making a big deal about this video, which portrays an emotionally insecure teenager confronting a faculty member for insufficiently addressing her concerns. In three months, the whole kerfuffle will have blown over- the faculty members will still have their positions, the students will participate in voluntary sensitivity workshops, and everyone will forget about it… except for Kent, still languishing in the grad student ghetto at SHIT, convinced that he has somehow counted coup on Zak by making a big deal about a minor kerfuffle at a university he could never have gained admission to. Get over it, Kent, Zak is just a better man than you, not that Zak is particularly impressive.

      • Kent permalink
        November 8, 2015 6:39 pm

        — Kent once idolized and lusted after Zak

        Link to anything?

        I think he did well as an undergrad. His college looks cute and hard to get into. Mine was too. Im pretty sure you work in a shoe store fitting tiny nikes on grotesque fat relatives of yours looking for staff discount. Ha ha !!

    • Kent permalink
      November 8, 2015 6:32 pm

      One very shit thing about East asians infesting European universities is that postgrad rooms can become incredibly booorriing. No one wants to hang out with East asians socially but they take up places that Europeans would have had only a decade before. I would prefer a vietnamese over a male feminist though.

      The US is a joke. I would love to see the ratio of US vs immigrants for postgrad level study as a ratio of the US population. $£€.

      • November 9, 2015 1:55 am

        I don’t mind hanging out with East Asians socially, so… you’re wrong.

        That’s all the rebuttal that’s really called for here, but just in case: Postgrad rooms tend towards the boring regardless of who’s in them. In my experience everyone has a serious frown on and is worried about their funding, assuming that they’re even occupying the rooms more than necessary. My MA year was disappointing compared to the undergrad years when there was an actual community of students living together, instead of people coming in for a few hours’ seminar and then faffing off back to their own lives again.

  127. Kent's Rectum permalink
    November 8, 2015 2:15 pm

    Thought I’d post a selfie.

    • Kent permalink
      November 8, 2015 3:17 pm

      Not mine.

      To me it looks like False Machine Patrick Stuart has been visiting Zak’s ass to find out how he should behave towards Zak’s enemies..

    • FEAR OF THE UNBLOWN permalink
      November 9, 2015 11:39 am

      Damn, Kent! I don’t think Zak Smith could have done that much damage to you without some help!

    • Kent's Rectum permalink
      November 10, 2015 1:41 pm

      Kent has been taking the female Viagra and this is the end result.

    • November 19, 2015 5:44 pm

      rose … bud …

  128. Kent permalink
    November 8, 2015 3:22 pm

    and with that, I have to leave you again children. I hope you learned something during my visit. When I next return I will bring a medium-sized nut cracker I have found among Halloween things which will do for squeezing your tiny brain pans.

  129. Kent permalink
    November 8, 2015 5:23 pm

    I’m falling in love with myself all over again!

    Clap like a retard if wish you could be me! (how else could you clap)

    What’s that … ? (applwauthe)

  130. Kent permalink
    November 8, 2015 6:26 pm

    Favourite Rock Albums at the moment:

    Death – Symbolic – Canadian DR-11 mastering
    Celtic Frost – To Mega Therion
    Agolloch – The Mantle – 2011 vinyl rip

    Favourite Classical albums at the moment

    Shostakovich Symphonies – Kondrashin remastered.
    Carl Orff – Antogonae – Leitner
    William Byrd – David Moroney – Hyperion

    Listening on Sennheiser HD 600 with Objective2 headphone amp (cos my cunt amplifier output stage is caput):

    http://nwavguy.blogspot.ie/2011/06/sennheiser-hd-650.html

    This (robin hood) nwavguy designed the objective2 amp and made it available open source.

    ====

    Reading:
    Gibbon’s Decline and Fall – Heritage Press edition – yum in my tum
    Herodotus – de Selincourt translation – Folio Society edition
    Grettir the Strong – Morris translation – longmans edition 1900
    Wind in the Willows – Folio Society edition – meh

    ====
    Religious thoughts:

    Jesus Christ – bit of a wuss, likeable.

    Muhammad – insane coprophiliac; rejected as agony aunt by 7th century women’s magazines. Followers define ‘Violent Moron’.

    Larry David – funny and ugly Jew. Aren’t they all.

    ====

    Kent knows best.
    Say it.

    • November 19, 2015 5:26 pm

      This is solid. Not familiar with some of the reading and I’d sub an earlier Death album, and Saor for Agalloch, but this is why I generally think you have taste.

  131. Kent permalink
    November 8, 2015 7:59 pm

    NOW LISTEN UP YOU SCREWHEADS

    I am going to be selling a pdf of an adventure with large detailed maps in time for Christmas.

    One pdf for the adventure. Several large pdfs for the maps.

    $3. And if it is acceptable I will release a surrounding campaign later.

    But you must be on your best behaviour. Do you hear.

    • November 9, 2015 1:58 am

      I’ll believe it when I see it. Bar the Night of the Walking Wet revamp you don’t exactly have a good track record for these things.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        November 9, 2015 8:05 am

        Another failure brought to you by Kent. Looks like the OSR will have to content itself with his killer stinky penis-mushroom suckdungeon.

      • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
        November 9, 2015 12:38 pm

        The best thing about long threads is that you can recover from a case of esprit d’escalier…

        The more concise term for Durr Hurr’s “bloviate then flop” model is “Kentus Interruptus”.

      • November 19, 2015 5:28 pm

        I have now heard the podcast.

  132. November 9, 2015 3:32 am

    Gentlemen, my pending review of Dark Albion has attracted several page-views from deepest, darkest Uruguay. Rune-magickal drone strikes are inbound.

    • Bigby's Affirmative Consent Lubed Fist permalink
      November 9, 2015 8:09 am

      If you smell an overpowering aroma of pipe smoke, get the hell out- that means he’s sent a tobacco quasi-elemental after you.

      You can fight them off using mints and air fresheners, but your best bet is to head for fresh air.

    • Frog Gode permalink
      November 10, 2015 5:10 am

      Damn now you almost made me want to read the thing – even the part where my homeland is invaded par nazi frogmen from outer space or whatever. And for our delicious Uru-Canuck : why so much hate for all things french ? I know you’ve been buttfucked by twelve catholic priests on that schooltrip to Quebec, but haven’t we all ?

    • November 10, 2015 5:35 am

      I suspect the characterisation of the French as hideous chaotic frogmen is a coarse attempt at satire/genre emulation by Pundit, not a manifestation of genuine antipathy. I’m sorry if my review is making you want to read Dark Albion, that was not my intention.

  133. I don't want to live on this planet anymore permalink
    November 9, 2015 3:44 am

    Ugh, in the interests of saving my sanity while on leave — I’m banning myself from all serz cultural debates. Sorry everyone, let’s make fun of silly gamers instead. You’re a wise man BLB. Kent is gay.

    • November 10, 2015 1:50 am

      I wish I’d read this before replying to your last thing. Let’s call it quits and not do our jobs for free.

      • I don't want to live on this planet anymore permalink
        November 10, 2015 4:36 am

        Yeah man, I got you. I don’t want to give you the wrong impression. I’m an unabashed bleeding heart. Autism ranks with one of the issues closest to my heart. Don’t take my tactical arguments seriously. I’m apolitical, my opinions are based on social not political theory. I just like to remind people that the, so called, “SJWs” or “outrage brigade” has serious social facts and solid theory behind it. The movement isn’t all 20-somethings on tumblr or whatever the stereotype is. I rate you and would only ever press you about your faux-elitism streak. No doubt I’ll get sucked into round 45 though, see you there bud.

      • November 10, 2015 5:53 am

        I would of course be remiss if I did not cynically exploit this armstice to take potshots without fear of retaliation. The contention was never that the theories were not serious, after all, even communism has a serious body of work behind it, the contention is that the movement is filled with narcissists and morons that take these theories to ludicrous extremes and form shriekmobs that relentlessly target nonprogressives (or as the recent campus nonsense has shown, insufficiently progressives) over perceived slights and that people for some reason keep ignoring or defending that as acceptable or even compatible with a democratic society that values free speech and the rule of law. It is not. If you want people to stop mischaracterising SJWs you might want to do someting about that.

        I too am done belching. Dark Albion awaits.

      • I don't want to live on this planet anymore permalink
        November 10, 2015 7:18 am

        If I may make one more point. Just something to chew on, last word if you like as above. Prince, I’m a minority. I’ve never seen this democracy. What you are seeing now is the minority politic gaining power as it’s voting numbers grow. It’s hard to get representation when your 0.02% of a population, as apposed to 10%. You have a stake, I understand, but your status-quo is my glass-ceiling and (if it ever comes to that) my kids glass-ceiling. Keep that in mind next time you get up on your soapbox about how we’re corroding the democratic effort. Just how democratic is it and for who? Alright, btw no hard feelings.